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  • Sketchup + Kerky newbie

    Since joining PPB a couple of months back I have been trying to teach myself sketchup and thought I would try some rendering. Kerkythea seems to be an amazing programme. Below a first effort at Sketchup + Kerky rendering. Tips and comments gratefully received, but be gentle with me, I am a total noob at this!
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  • #2
    Material could need a bit love. You might want to download some libraries, specially wood. The basic material pack that do come with KT is fairly limited, for architectural rendering I would use materials from EssentialBasics_1 -pack.

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    • #3
      10 seconds work in iphoto and i think it looks a look better!
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      • #4
        suggesution

        good start. I strongly suggest you to be more familliar whit KT forum , there r lots of helpful guys there ,and also for me it was easier to use preset render presets so that be more concentrated on "how to make good materials?"
        maybe it works for u too.
        http://www.kerkythea.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2600

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        • #5
          Originally posted by yeganegi View Post
          good start. I strongly suggest you to be more familliar whit KT forum , there r lots of helpful guys there ,and also for me it was easier to use preset render presets so that be more concentrated on "how to make good materials?"
          maybe it works for u too.
          http://www.kerkythea.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2600
          Sincere thanks for the suggestion, but having looked at the page you have linked to I am no further forward. I am just an architect, not a physicist or a rendering guru, I barely recognize and certainly do not understand most of the WORDS used in these threads let alone the concepts. Kerkythea is clearly a great program, and the guys on the forum very helpful, but the materials editing is a nightmare for non specialists like me. It really needs a simplified interface where the bewildering array of options is only accessed via an "advanced" settings tab. Why cant you specify a degree of transparency in a glass material for chrissakes? I am afraid I am still totally terrified and mystified by the discussions on the Kerky boards, hence my posting here instead.

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          • #6
            Morri I like you find most rendering progs. just too slow to learn.

            Have you tried IDX Renditioner
            www.idx-design.com/

            I think its very simple to use with excellent results!

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            • #7
              Originally posted by morri View Post
              Sincere thanks for the suggestion, but having looked at the page you have linked to I am no further forward. I am just an architect, not a physicist or a rendering guru, I barely recognize and certainly do not understand most of the WORDS used in these threads let alone the concepts. Kerkythea is clearly a great program, and the guys on the forum very helpful, but the materials editing is a nightmare for non specialists like me. It really needs a simplified interface where the bewildering array of options is only accessed via an "advanced" settings tab. Why cant you specify a degree of transparency in a glass material for chrissakes? I am afraid I am still totally terrified and mystified by the discussions on the Kerky boards, hence my posting here instead.
              Perhaps you should take a look at Podium. The interface is dumbed down a good deal and you won't have to think or read too much. If you want to press a button and get an acceptable render without really understanding the complexities of simulating reality, podium is my recommendation.

              If you do decide to understand the concepts some day, you will see that the set of tools in KT are very similar to those found in most major rendering software packages that people often pay big bucks for. They are presented in a very similar manner as well. The settings you have issues with are really not "advanced settings", they are standard material editing tools that you may want to invest the time to understand.

              Post an image of your material issue, I could try to help, though the guys at the KT forums would be much more help.

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              • #8
                Thanks for the tip Andrew, will look at podium, but I am really impressed by KT so far apart from the interface problem previously discussed. I am aware that the tools in KT are similar to others and I am sure they are great, the programme seems to produce mind blowingly good results even in the hands of an ignoramus like me, but it would be nice to have some more "idiot proof" controls. I have eventually found the materials guide (after much searching) on the KT forum, and it is a 36 page PDF! I will try to explore further and do my homework, but that suggests to me that the interface is not very intuitive. Probably why I never managed to learn 3Dviz either. :(
                Not meaning to sound ungrateful here either, KT seems to be a really great programme, its authors deserve a lot of kudos for putting it out there.
                I started the thread because I was just wondering if anyone at PPB had some tips for amateur users like me.
                Thanks also to bluevinny, I will investigate IDX too.
                Last edited by morri; 22-02-2009, 16:31.

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                • #9
                  Agreed that the interfaces of these softwares are not the most intuitive. Aside from podium, and a few others, there really aren't many rendering applications for the masses, like sketchup has done for 3d modeling. It is very much a process of trial and error and many hours of effort initially.

                  I wasn't able to figure out 3dviz either, now that I have spent some time with KT, I can fumble my way through most applications.

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                  • #10
                    Due to Andrew , yes .. most of render engines r too confusing , but trust me , KT is really easy to use. and also ,I am tring to prepare a "FAST START FOR ARCHITECTS" user guide for KT, (today I spent all my time on it , and hope it would be easy to use, clear and also helpfull).
                    majid

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by morri View Post
                      I started the thread because I was just wondering if anyone at PPB had some tips for amateur users like me.
                      Don't worry too much of asking questions at KT forums, there are plenty of architects, in a hurry , but I am certain that you can easily find help there. Also don't be afraid to use the forum search or look trough tutorials.

                      btw did the EssentialBasics_1 material pack help you at all? What sort of materials you would see important to add, if EssentialBasics II is combined?

                      About material creation; first I would download all available material packs (there are really plenty of those) and if I would find that I need to create a new material, I would start from New Basic Materials KT2008 Echo. When you use those materials as a base you only need to pick a material with a suitable shininess and then replace the diffuse color in #0 [matte/phong] with your bitmap or some other color.
                      Last edited by notareal; 24-02-2009, 19:39.

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                      • #12
                        @Morri:
                        Actually, Podium and Kerkythea are the same program under the hood. Podium is a good start for those not familiar with rendering applications, but it stops short in advanced capabilities. If you already managed to pull out those images, it will be better for you to keep learning Kerkythea.

                        The concepts and the terminology are the same in most high-end renderers. Even if you don't understand some terms, such as bump mapping, normal mapping, translucency, etc., the answers are just a few clicks away, in Wikipedia. You will learn some physics, some optics, and a few things about computer graphics, that will make you a better candidate for future job opportunities. And Kerkythea is free software, which is always a good thing for companies in times of global economic crisis. Imagine how good you will look in an interview when you tell your potential employer that you can work all your magic without them having to invest thousands in software!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ecuadorian View Post
                          @Morri:
                          Actually, Podium and Kerkythea are the same program under the hood. Podium is a good start for those not familiar with rendering applications, but it stops short in advanced capabilities. If you already managed to pull out those images, it will be better for you to keep learning Kerkythea.
                          Podium uses same render engine as Kerkythea. They have made some UI streamlining, it's simple to use, but like said, that do come with a cost. Anyhow, Thea render engine is under serious development at the moment, I hope we can soon announce news about it.

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                          • #14
                            Fast start 4Architects

                            last week i spent my time to prepare this mini tutorial for (sketchup+) KT rendering system for architects and hope you find it useful.it is composed of a PDF file , a material library, and a material test scene.
                            also for more information plz see :
                            http://www.kerkythea.net/joomla/inde...pper&Itemid=76
                            njoy rendering majid
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                            Last edited by yeganegi; 04-03-2009, 04:48.

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                            • #15
                              Thanks for your effort, yeganegi. I was using kerk for a while but wasn't getting the results i wanted. I think i had a lot of learning to do.

                              BTW are your settings good for interiors as well as exteriors? Any example results to share? I'd like to compare your results and the ones i get. Just to see if they match up.

                              Thanks again

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