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  • Flinders st station competition... 1 millon dollars

    Looking for an arms length collaboration with a student/s for this project.
    Ideally the student would do it as a design module and be in upper pool.

    http://www.majorprojects.vic.gov.au/...gn-competition

  • #2
    What is a design module and "upper pool"? Are you living in Switzerland lesham?

    $1Aus is pretyy big pool but will it be an open international competition or two stage invited?

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    • #3
      you wouldn't happen to know if or when they have released the brief would you?
      Last edited by flickk86; 30-09-2011, 15:28.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by flickk86 View Post
        you wouldn't happen to know if or when they have released the brief would you?
        If you wait for the brief you will behind the eight ball.
        So why wait if you already have ideas?

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        • #5
          From the competition announcement page posted above.

          Designs will be expected to address the station’s transport function, heritage requirements, urban design and integration with its surrounds as well as providing a value for money construction proposal.


          Basically there is a vast amount of unused space in the building including a huge ballroom and massive lavishly decorated offices with vast windows.

          Restore it all into a high class hotel and propose an additional cheap built high income building over the tracks and you won't go too wrong.

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          • #6
            They will never build over the tracks...

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            • #7
              Originally posted by lesham View Post
              They will never build over the tracks...
              The whole of Fed Square just over Swanston Street is built over the tracks.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by lesham View Post
                They will never build over the tracks...
                Why?????

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                • #9
                  Four, the setting is a limiting factor – it includes the river, Princes Bridge, Fed Square, St Pauls, the view of the station across the river from Southbank, and more. Whatever’s built at the station has to take account and give due respect to the neighbours.

                  http://melbourneurbanist.wordpress.c...-a-smart-idea/

                  http://www.flickr.com/photos/scottmh/3737117503/
                  http://www.flickr.com/photos/8773698@N03/3859210398/
                  http://www.flickr.com/photos/aumbody_images/363214349/
                  http://www.flickr.com/photos/r_topor/4277473665/
                  http://www.flickr.com/photos/quamen/165326448/
                  http://www.flickr.com/photos/deadknee/3006434957/

                  Just because some students did a proposal quite a while ago that built over the area it has no chance of happening...
                  Last edited by lesham; 02-10-2011, 08:47.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by lesham View Post
                    Just because some students did a proposal quite a while ago that built over the area it has no chance of happening...[/B][/I]
                    This is a reply to the correspondant you partially quote above (Alan) , who seems to think covering the tracks is entirely plausible.

                    (Nathan Alexander)
                    This topic is one I know a fair amount about, having recently completed background work towards a development strategy for the station for the Department of Transport. I agree with your take on the shortcomings of design competitions; however in this case, I think the competition may achieve the necessary public groundswell for action that then leads to the political will to fund the work needed.
                    You are right that the site is a complex one. At 5.6 hectares in all it has enormous development potential. The Administration Building, the one along Flinders Street, can be treated as largely a separate design exercise because most of it is not used for functions essential to the running of the station. Much of the site could be built over without unduly compromising rail operations. I’d like to see daylight and views maintained into the platforms themselves, but decent weather protection to the passengers waiting on the platfroms would be a great improvement over current conditions. Totally covered platforms were part of the original design.
                    The station as is will not cope at all well with the likely increased demand over the coming decades. Change is required to provide the level of service we can experience at Southern Cross Station but cannot currently provide at Flinders even with current user numbers.
                    One aspect I’d love to see treated appropriately is the St Kilda Road facade, which currently looks like a shed. A facade befitting a major rail station and that creates a street wall to Federation Square would be a great improvement.
                    I’m looking forward to the competition – if it provides a very good brief!

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                    • #11
                      There might be some new paving...

                      Could it be this?

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                      • #13
                        A nice time lapse

                        http://media.theage.com.au/life-and-...n-2420864.html

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                        • #14
                          Lesham,

                          Am I right in thinking that you are the same person who posted the Dublin Subway proposal that had the "concept" of the shamrock and the photo montages with bono in them?

                          I see you are going down the same route again with this very literal use of symbolism masquerading as "concept". To be frank, mashing together two bits of graphic design to form a tile design is a very weak idea (if an idea at all) architecturally. Even as a purely cosmetic approach it is very flawed (what happens when Melbourne and Victoria inevitably rebrand their websites and have new logos commissioned? your tiles will have zero meaning other than the fact that they sort of looked like the logos two government bodies used for a brief period in history.)

                          I note that you have put "concept 1 of 100" in the top corner of your concept sketch, can we see the other 99?

                          Are you looking for a student to come up with the architectural ideas and you do the decorating? If not I'm unsure as to why you have even begun thinking about the tiles...

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                          • #15
                            Speaking as an old Melbournian, (Left when I was 13 returning briefly in my 20's) and speaking more as an artist. I can assure you [MENTION=33822]lesham[/MENTION] that a tile pattern involving logo's referencing questionable iconography is dead in the water. Melbournians particularly do not like this sort of self derivative self absorption, at least not in public. You have also added a pattern involving the Southern Cross star formation. You should know that that is part of the Australian flag and you'd do well to research why it is there. An astonishing majority of Australians (not me personally but I try and make a point of respecting other peoples wishes) get ridiculously upset and uncomfortable when the flag or parts thereof are placed underfoot to be trodden on. Extremely gauche and then politically insensitive.

                            I'm more offended by the guache part. I almost suffered an 80's flashback.
                            Last edited by simon seasons; 15-11-2011, 22:02.

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