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JesseJacob
09-10-2005, 04:11
I saw this building and wanted you guys to see it.

Located at 235 Bowery opposite the terminus of Prince Street

Links:
http://www.archidose.org/Jan04/011204.html
http://www.newmuseum.org/now_new_initiatives.php
JesseJacob
09-10-2005, 04:12
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JesseJacob
09-10-2005, 04:13
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Mounib
09-10-2005, 09:03
Thanks Jesse for posting this, very nice design, I like the cubism & simple shape.
primocordara
09-10-2005, 12:34
and, not to let you guys down on this one....
MICHEL
09-10-2005, 14:57
I really don't see what's so exciting about this cold block addition... zero excitement... But maybe it's just the new Fisher Price headquarters in NY... :wondering
ryo
09-10-2005, 15:35
I really don't see what's so exciting about this cold block addition... zero excitement... But maybe it's just the new Fisher Price headquarters in NY... :wondering
Isn't this a promotional backup from the NewYork Times? :wondering

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ryo
09-10-2005, 15:40
I really don't see what's so exciting about this cold block addition... zero excitement... But maybe it's just the new Fisher Price headquarters in NY... :wondering
Sejima's work has always been difficult to comment...
Sometimes radical
Sometimes cooly cold (for occidental eyes)
Sometimes hidden (where is the architecture?)
Often pertinent
But always clean!!! (like hospitals) :D
sigue2000
09-10-2005, 15:48
Sejima's work has always been difficult to comment...
Sometimes radical
Sometimes cooly cold (for occidental eyes)
Sometimes hidden (where is the architecture?)
Often pertinent
But always clean!!! (like hospitals) :D

Actually it's antiseptic architecture.
ryo
09-10-2005, 15:49
Actually it's antiseptic architecture.
antiseptic...
you've tackled it, sigue!!! :clap:
I was looking for a convenient word... :cheers:
Here amongst my arch chaps, we are divided about Sejima's works...
Some love it, others hate it, and some don't even understand why we consider this as 'architectural' :D
My opinion is that Sejima's attitude is very 'noh'-esque (japanese traditional theatre): there's a subtility hidden in the work but its pertinence depends heavily from the point of view...
in the case of Sejima, I understand it as a kind of radicalism against the Japanese Metropolis disorder and chaos... and you must have lived in Tokyo or Osaka to understand what I mean :D
sigue2000
09-10-2005, 15:53
Impressive spaces no doubt but the don't seem to require humans. :(
MICHEL
09-10-2005, 16:09
Here's an interior pic of Sejima's building. Entrance hall... :D
PeterE
09-10-2005, 16:39
Anybody see the video at newmuseum.org? Love the music.

Hated this building at first, but am warming ( ;) ) up to it. Great big, monolithic, zinc box is intriguing.
digdoi
10-10-2005, 22:13
I'm not sure if this thread should be in the travel section. The building is still unbuilt... :wondering
swami
10-10-2005, 23:24
Here's an interior pic of Sejima's building. Entrance hall... :D

LOL!

I'm a big fan of Adolf Loos, but doesn't there have to be a window in there somewhere?

yipes! :confused:

and is that square on the facade a louver?
JesseJacob
11-10-2005, 01:52
I personally really like the abstract and powerful nature of the design, Kzuyo Sejima and Ryue Nishizawa have set out to make a bold architectural statement and done so very well.

:not worthexcellent
ryarch
11-10-2005, 04:00
It seems effective by being so completely different. It reminds me of The Luxor hotel and casino in Las Vegas! In the middle of the screaming lights and mayhem, sits this black hole. The complete opposite of what you would expect from a casino on 'The Strip'.

It looks like the interiors were thought out to the nth degree. Credit is do there. I am undecided about the exterior.
primocordara
11-10-2005, 11:16
...YET LEARNING FROM LAS VEGAS ??? :D :rolleyes:
arv
11-10-2005, 13:51
Actually it's antiseptic architecture.
Sterile ??? Any takers ???
sigue2000
11-10-2005, 14:02
Sterile ??? Any takers ???
More than sterile. :cheers:

More info in JP's post here (http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397&highlight=sanaa)
swami
11-10-2005, 20:35
I'd like to see the interior, to get the rest of the story.
It may be that the interior is very unanticipated and quite a shock, which would be a triumph, and complete the ideal of possesing a phenomenological opacity.
Or, it could have the look on the interior just as it does on the exterior, say with a giant skylight, (wouldn't have to go inside) and fail utterly as a design.
ryo
11-10-2005, 21:14
here are some int pics
ryo
11-10-2005, 21:14
and another, with the anticipated(?) skylight...
swami
11-10-2005, 23:51
I guess it would take a look at a building section to determine what degree of slippage there is between the interior and the exterior.
The exterior is presented as a "figure in the landscape," or a counterpoint to its neighboring urban context. The interior seem to follow the same lines by shifts and cantilevers of space, while maintaining the same stark character of the exterior. This misses the opportunity presented by the odd formalism
of the shell.
Every time I see a "duck (http://www.arch.mcgill.ca/prof/sijpkes/arch374/winter2001/mwildm/)," a form based shell, I look for what difference there is "in between," - the nature of the poche.
There is a chance to let the interior follow its own forms of space, disjointed from its exterior.
(thanks for the post Jesse, this building is a great case study topic for thoretical discussion)
klinger
12-10-2005, 00:03
This is one of those buildings I have always had a problem with. It's designed to be noticed by people from far away but when approached it's like... that's all it is. A place you don't get around to enter untill a friend of a friend or your father-in-law tells you that they have a really good exibition.
Personally, assuming I couldn't have it both ways, I would definately prefer a building less noticable from a far but all the more intriguing for the people passing it by on the street level.
But then again, I suppose it has always been more commercially attractive to be part of the skyline than part the actuall city.
digdoi
13-10-2005, 19:41
New museum groundbreaking on CURBED (http://www.curbed.com/archives/2005/10/12/new_new_museum_groundbreaking_clap_your_hands_say_ om.php)
JesseJacob
14-10-2005, 04:57
This is one of those buildings I have always had a problem with. It's designed to be noticed by people from far away but when approached it's like... that's all it is. A place you don't get around to enter untill a friend of a friend or your father-in-law tells you that they have a really good exibition.
Personally, assuming I couldn't have it both ways, I would definately prefer a building less noticable from a far but all the more intriguing for the people passing it by on the street level.
But then again, I suppose it has always been more commercially attractive to be part of the skyline than part the actuall city.

Good comment, :not worth
takesh h
14-10-2005, 05:14
Personally, I will hold the judgement till I visit the building in person.
Many times I was surprized and taught by Kahn or Ando that simplistic forms can be so rich and gratifing.
At this point, I am interested in the idea of a building which you can enter and leave from any directions. difficult to administrate, for sure.
takesh h
14-10-2005, 05:16
(just a tiny part of) studies. makes me think that there must be something more than circles and squares there.
They had more varieties than Domino Pizza.
digdoi
14-10-2005, 15:11
(just a tiny part of) studies. makes me think that there must be something more than circles and squares there.
They had more varieties than Domino Pizza.

Kanazawa 21st Century Museum THREAD (http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=949)
ryo
14-10-2005, 15:25
(just a tiny part of) studies. makes me think that there must be something more than circles and squares there.
They had more varieties than Domino Pizza.
I like the idea of having lots of spatial toppings gathered by a unifying simple roof shape (a pizza?). Actually, the rooftop is as interesting as the museum (if not more?). Great find, Takeshsan :cheers:
And the plan layout is like a puzzle... :wondering
takesh h
14-10-2005, 15:39
Kanazawa 21st Century Museum THREAD (http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=949)
I think I was in a wrong place... :o
digdoi
14-10-2005, 15:49
I think I was in a wrong place... :o

These SANAA projects look all the same... :bang head :D
rogen13
18-07-2006, 11:48
it doesnt look the same, i admire them....
we all here sit down and make some comments...
but them make STATEMENT:cool:
digdoi
18-07-2006, 14:20
it doesnt look the same, i admire them...

It was a joke, man...:rolleyes:
ly7930
31-03-2007, 11:43
Thanks i have heard SANNA well
a special style ...