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lavardera
19-08-2005, 23:39
Some time ago on PPB1 I shared this design of a vacation cabin. There was quite a bit of discussion and the porch roof form was decidedly un-popular with the PPB crowd. I'm posting an update as one customer has this house well under construction and has been sharing progress photos with me. An overview here, this is actually the rear of the house facing a view:
lavardera
19-08-2005, 23:41
Its about 1400 sqft, 2 bedrooms. The plan looks like this:
lavardera
19-08-2005, 23:42
Another view:
lavardera
19-08-2005, 23:43
Far side:
lavardera
19-08-2005, 23:44
inside:
lavardera
19-08-2005, 23:45
Most recent construction images:
lavardera
19-08-2005, 23:47
other end:
lavardera
19-08-2005, 23:48
older image during framing, inside:
lavardera
19-08-2005, 23:52
looking down through the porch and bay window spaces:
Congratulatons on getting these plans sold and now under construction. I would imagine that trying to sell 'non-typical' stock plans in that market is VERY hard to do! I myself am working on many house ideas; some geared toward the smaller market (<1700 sf). Maybe they will sell, maybe not...
takesh h
20-08-2005, 01:54
Congratulations Greg. :cheers:
It is interesting to see how the same structure gives you different impressions with different setting. This must be a big pleasure of doing stock house plans.
I think I missed the discussion from PPB1, but surely the porch roof looks heavy compared to the main roof!
Yes congrats Greg on getting another away.
The porch roof still bothers me, you've opened up a can of worms again! :wondering
I guess one issue with stock plans and their location is the suitability to suit the site, I would suggest this design more suited to a site of lower grade, in this situation it does not seem to touch the ground well.
One question, in your neck of the woods will the entire deck need to have a handrail installed. Here anything above 1m needs handrails and balustrading with a minimum height of 1m and a maximum opening of 125mm. Anything above 3m needs to have no horizontal step points so that you cant step up higher on the same.
Cheers, Richard
janelson
20-08-2005, 05:28
It looks like a great project. I would be very interested in getting your thoughts or seeing some of your SketchUp models that were developed as part of the process. I am much more interested in using Sketchup as a tool to investigate Design ideas and assembly/construction methods. Do you have a more detailed set of component models that you developed. I am not trying to get your drawings for free so I can go out and build one of these houses. I teach architecture and work with beginning architecture students. We use sketchup early in the program not for presentation but as a way to investigate ideas in three dimensions. Just wondering how much you might be able to share. Thanks for sharing your work.
John
jparchitectus
20-08-2005, 14:22
Yes congrats Greg on getting another away.
The porch roof still bothers me, you've opened up a can of worms again! :wondering
I guess one issue with stock plans and their location is the suitability to suit the site, I would suggest this design more suited to a site of lower grade, in this situation it does not seem to touch the ground well.
One question, in your neck of the woods will the entire deck need to have a handrail installed. Here anything above 1m needs handrails and balustrading with a minimum height of 1m and a maximum opening of 125mm. Anything above 3m needs to have no horizontal step points so that you cant step up higher on the same.
Cheers, Richard
Our state code (NY) requests a handrail for anything 30" and up. You also need to have no larger then 4" spaces for spindles, cable, ballastures, etc., and no less more then 6" for the space between the step and the strip of material that supports spindles etc.
primocordara
20-08-2005, 14:40
Good work lavardera, but two questions:
I dont understand the roof structure, why are the beams in the longer direction? The first one is on the air, above the porch roof?
Do you have a sketch that can explain this to me ?
The porch roof does bother, I remember you already went through it in PPB1. It can be improved. Perhaps making it horizontal (sort of "pergola"), or using a simmilar structure as the roof?
Check this two sketches, sorry for messing with yours!
First i like the most, mimmiking the roof and slanted structure, but making it even lighter.
Seccond one enhances the porch's endponts as side entrances, but I doubt this is your intention.
I hope I've been of any help!
lavardera
20-08-2005, 17:21
I guess one issue with stock plans and their location is the suitability to suit the site, I would suggest this design more suited to a site of lower grade, in this situation it does not seem to touch the ground well
You are quite right Richard - if the design is to be anything but purely generic you have to work towards some sort of specific site characteristics. But in doing so it makes the house less suitable for other settings. In this case they lose the casual connection to the ground, but they get a spectacular view up in the trees as consolation. A catalog solution will always have comporomises.
One question, in your neck of the woods will the entire deck need to have a handrail installed.
Yes - a rail will have to go around that deck before it is done.
lavardera
20-08-2005, 17:27
It looks like a great project. I would be very interested in getting your thoughts or seeing some of your SketchUp models that were developed as part of the process. I am much more interested in using Sketchup as a tool to investigate Design ideas and assembly/construction methods. Do you have a more detailed set of component models that you developed. I am not trying to get your drawings for free so I can go out and build one of these houses. I teach architecture and work with beginning architecture students. We use sketchup early in the program not for presentation but as a way to investigate ideas in three dimensions. Just wondering how much you might be able to share. Thanks for sharing your work.
John
John, in this case I am really using sketchup to create a presentation model more than using it as a design tool. Elsewhere I've posted work where I use it to explore design, and to document construction. This is probably the least pertinent to what you describe. But if you care to see exactly how the model came together I had documented it on my blog - start with this entry and work your way up:
http://www.livemodern.com/Members/lavardera/lamidesigndevblog/plathouseprog01
that entry appears on this page:
http://www.livemodern.com/Members/lavardera/lamidesigndevblog?b_start:int=80
http://www.lamidesign.com/plans/planscat/upcomingimages/0242prog04.jpg
lavardera
20-08-2005, 17:46
I dont understand the roof structure, why are the beams in the longer direction? The first one is on the air, above the porch roof?
The roof rafters do infact run the short dimension - see the images of the rough framing. At the ends the overhang is supported by rake rafters which are held by a double rafter inboard of the outside wall. This is in fact conventional framing practices inflated to a larger scale. Rarely seen these days as most builders don't seem to bother to put a rake overhang on the sides of their houses.
The porch roof does bother, I remember you already went through it in PPB1. It can be improved. Perhaps making it horizontal (sort of "pergola"), or using a simmilar structure as the roof?!
Your first sketch is quite interesting and I could see that being an appropriate modification in some situation, but in general I disagree with the past criticism of this roof element.
Let me make my statement about this and then I'll let it rest why you all go on with new suggestions to fix it! :D
The notion that both roofs should be the same or feel alike is knee jerk and unconsidered. The first impression is always that it is different and we feel compelled to make it alike. When considered beyond first impressions there can be good cause for differentiating one element from another and hence altering the experience of the whole. Last time this was posted I challenged the group to postulate why both roofs might not want to be alike, what goals it could serve, and how it could contribute to the experience of the whole, but nobody took it up. So I throw the challenge out again - think harder about this and don't simply be led by seeking visual harmony.
The beauty of a place lies not in how it looks, but in how it is experienced. Hence our design decisions are about the experience we create, which sometimes involves deliberately building visual discord to reach other goals. Its more than painting a pretty picture - "good" composition is a means to an end, and not a goal in of itself.
primocordara
20-08-2005, 23:09
The notion that both roofs should be the same or feel alike is knee jerk and unconsidered.
Dont get me wrong, I agree these elements could be different, what bothers me is that the are "simmilar" .
The main volume seems more detailed and "designed" than the porch, thats it.
As I said I like it, only I think there is room for improvement in this element.
I'm shure a few changes and it will be ok!
Of course, this is only a knee jerk unconsidered opinion, thats all!:peace:
lavardera
21-08-2005, 01:10
Perhaps I was too harsh? :confused:
Well you all will straighten me out if so!
The design not always must be so rational and be properly justified. The architect also can allow himself certain licenses, without giving explanation to nobody. Nor to the owner.
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lavardera
30-09-2005, 15:43
a few more updates
lavardera
30-09-2005, 15:44
the windows all installed
lavardera
30-09-2005, 15:45
from inside
lavardera
30-09-2005, 15:46
siding going on
lavardera
30-09-2005, 15:47
big mother - f--king snake that crawled into the house!
big mother - f--king snake that crawled into the house!
Man I am not coming to the housewarming !!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek:
kurtneis
30-09-2005, 20:28
congrats man it is awesome to see a SU model translated so close in reality . and the design is very crisp !
cheers :cheers:
big mother - f--king snake that crawled into the house!
looks like some kind of a python... nice one :D
And Greg, congrats with the house raising! It's looking really good! :rock on:
primocordara
01-10-2005, 12:16
I made a cabin in a simmilar setting and got bats under the tin roof and the wood ceilling!
I used the space under the cantilever as dorms, check it out:
(The deck handrail is made with tree branches)
lavardera
01-10-2005, 21:08
Very interesting Primo - the setting is similar. I could see how bats would get up under the corrugations - the manufacturers usually offer moulded strips that close the currugations. Were they not placed at the ends of the roof? I believe my customer used a standing seam roof panel, so it should not have the voids to invite bats,... I hope (just snakes it seems!).
Curious on construction method & wall construction It seems from the photo the siding cladding is fixed direct to the sheathing is this normal construction for your part of the world? Here I would have specified vertical battens
Just one of thousands of questions
Congrats, Greg!
And no, I don't want to kick the can of worms again :D
Cheers :cheers:
primocordara
02-10-2005, 00:16
Very interesting Primo - the setting is similar. I could see how bats would get up under the corrugations - the manufacturers usually offer moulded strips that close the currugations. Were they not placed at the ends of the roof? I believe my customer used a standing seam roof panel, so it should not have the voids to invite bats,... I hope (just snakes it seems!).
Unfortunately we don't have that molded strips here, so I had i sealed with polyurethane foam.
The bats nested between a bigger void generated in the union of the two slopes of the roof.
lavardera
02-10-2005, 02:41
Curious on construction method & wall construction It seems from the photo the siding cladding is fixed direct to the sheathing is this normal construction for your part of the world? Here I would have specified vertical battens
Just one of thousands of questions
This uses what we call here "western platform framing" - basic light wood stud construction. The addition of furring strips would move the cladding towards a rain screen assembly. A good idea, and especially for wood siding, but not commonly used here although it is growing more popular. I see it more often on well built expensive homes. But lap siding has been laid right on the sheathing here for about 200 years.
lavardera
26-11-2005, 04:22
More progress - the interior now, nearly complete. Its worth going back to the first page to look at the interior renders.
lavardera
26-11-2005, 04:23
One more. I hope to get some more images of the exterior that look more complete.
jparchitectus
26-11-2005, 15:56
I made a cabin in a simmilar setting and got bats under the tin roof and the wood ceilling!
I used the space under the cantilever as dorms, check it out:
(The deck handrail is made with tree branches)
Nice project. I wouldn't mind seeing this posted seperatly here...Love the handrail :rock on:
ilnomedellarosa
26-11-2005, 20:26
Primo
Nice house, very original handrail :)
lavardera
Birch looks beautiful in interiors. Very beautiful :not worth
imasayer
27-11-2005, 07:16
Nice work Greg. The interior is really great, love all the built-in's. Your plans will be sweeping the nation soon! :cheers:
More progress - the interior now, nearly complete. Its worth going back to the first page to look at the interior renders.
Feels so much more spacious and airy than the renders! Very nice. :clap:
lavardera
27-11-2005, 17:57
Feels so much more spacious and airy than the renders! Very nice. :clap:
I think once they have some furniture it won't seem so large and empty!
primocordara
28-11-2005, 03:45
Nice project. I wouldn't mind seeing this posted seperatly here...Love the handrail :rock on:
Thanks JP! I made it with my former associate, Marcelo Valdes, who moved to Minnesota 8 years ago:
Cabin in Lake Garzon (http://www.salaarc.com/projects/mvsof008.html)
I think once they have some furniture it won't seem so large and empty!
Unless they put it on the ceiling, nice furniture will make it even better. :D I was refering to the open plan, high ceiling, generous windows, and white walls. Interior Sketchup renders produce dark walls and ceilings. :(
lavardera
28-11-2005, 19:52
Someday I'll take a stab at rendering with Cheetah. I'm just too harried to devote time to it now.
Someday I'll take a stab at rendering with Cheetah. I'm just too harried to devote time to it now.
Greg, pic at post #1 is worth a thousand renderers. :rock on:
jparchitectus
28-11-2005, 20:26
Yeah and a direct sketch-up output...why waste the time rendering :wondering
Greg, pic at post #1 is worth a thousand renderers. :rock on:
Yes, I agree with you and jp. But as we all know, sketchup is very weak for interior renders. :(
jparchitectus
28-11-2005, 21:54
And just about every rendering company is weak for exterior renderings unless Bakbek does them...
big mother - f--king snake that crawled into the house!
Greg, I think I spotted your snake on the internet... :D Looks like a "Lavender-Albino Blood Python (http://www.vpi.com/4VPIInventory/Galleries/BloodPythonGalleries/BloodGallery4/LavAlbMale.htm) ". Keep it, it's worth 200 bucks :D
Lovely isn't it? :wondering
And Jason, especially for you, the python texture :craqueur:
jparchitectus
28-11-2005, 23:59
Well it isn't seamless :D
LOL Jason, I knew someone would gave it a try in SU :D
lavardera
29-11-2005, 00:50
Yikes! It does look like that same snake.
lavardera
29-11-2005, 04:45
The owner and builder designed a matching garage to go with the house. I get requests for garages to go with the houses but I'm too focused on doing more house designs that I have not found time to do them. So I was really happy to see that they did not need my help and did something that looked so appropriate.
lavardera
29-11-2005, 04:46
And here is looking back at the house from the side of the garage. A nice view of everybody's favorite porch roof! :P This is a nice shot by the owner.
Mr Sparkle
05-12-2005, 23:41
Its about 1400 sqft, 2 bedrooms. The plan looks like this:
the wplaln has a good flow, and the fact that you use your surroundings so darn well is quite comnedable.
kudos, I like these kinds of projects for obvious reasons. :not worth
The house was spotted by the people at MoCo Loco (http://mocoloco.com/archives/001904.php). Congratulations Greg! People are starting to get famous around here!
lavardera
27-12-2005, 18:14
I just sent out an update and they picked it up! Awesome! Thanks for the heads up!
jparchitectus
27-12-2005, 19:42
Congrats - Nice Job!
Pedro Barradas
27-12-2005, 20:12
Greg, congratulations...
It's nice to have work recognized...and to be "famous" :cheers:
lavardera
27-12-2005, 20:33
Ha! Well I don't know what famous feels like. I'll let you know when I do :confused: I'd rather the work be famous than me!
Yes well done Greg you should capitalise on this as much as possible in your marketing.
One thing I've been meaning to ask is the reason for the cross span on the main roof purlins. I would have done these to follow the roof pitch & I notice one photo of framing seems to do that but I'm not sure whether this is a secondary structure below.
lavardera
27-12-2005, 23:00
Yes well done Greg you should capitalise on this as much as possible in your marketing.
One thing I've been meaning to ask is the reason for the cross span on the main roof purlins. I would have done these to follow the roof pitch & I notice one photo of framing seems to do that but I'm not sure whether this is a secondary structure below.
that was asked before - see this post. (http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4341&postcount=18)
that was asked before - see this post. (http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4341&postcount=18)
Ahhhhh now I see - Kind of like a gable ladder (which is what we would do in the UK) - Trompe de Brain there Greg
Yes well done Greg you should capitalise on this as much as possible in your marketing.
One thing I've been meaning to ask is the reason for the cross span on the main roof purlins. I would have done these to follow the roof pitch & I notice one photo of framing seems to do that but I'm not sure whether this is a secondary structure below.
He definitely is! Look now! (modern trump has been born?) :D
Interview (http://mocoloco.com/archives/001920.php) at MoCo Loco
lavardera
29-12-2005, 18:22
yippie!
We did the interview this past summer and yesterday he asked me for a photo of me with some work - I never take my picture in front of any of my work, who would think? The office was the only thing at hand, and I was here alone without a camera. So with some packing tape I attached my cell phone to the bookshelf and put it on self timer and got a shot. Thats my picture from my phone at the top of the interview!
wegofaster
29-12-2005, 18:36
Great Interview. Congrats!!! :cheers: :rock on:
Way to go Greg. - :rock on:
Congratulations Greg! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Greg,
Its exciting to see your ideas being built and it seems you have a lot more coming. Thank you for sharing parts of your process. I am sure it is helpful to others as it has been to me to see how another architect brings ideas and lines to life.
Great interview as well. Cant wait to see more.
Cheers
:cheers:
mimilapin
02-01-2006, 15:22
Congratulations Gregory :) It's very nice to see you at MoCo Loco :D :clap:
lavardera
09-01-2006, 04:02
last photo from owner
That's something to be pleased about
jparchitectus
09-01-2006, 19:24
Job Well Done!
synthesis
04-02-2006, 18:39
Greg,
I took some time to look at the great photos of the house on your site.
for others who haven't been there...
http://www.lamidesign.com/plans/planscat/0242/0242pg_1.html
I really like the way the house was sited and the interior spaces are wonderful. The open floor plan works really well and there is still a nice definition of space with the living/kitchen/dining areas.
I agree that the owners did a nice job with the design and siting of the garage as well.
Nice job.
lavardera
04-02-2006, 22:52
They did do a very good job. My SU drawings showed a little bit more wood on the interior - natural wood for the trim and base, natural wood for the interior of the windows. They painted out all of these elements white, but it makes an interesting contrast from the rustic exterior and minimal white interior.
Thanks for the good feedback.
iceheart
07-07-2006, 14:07
the windows all installed
I like this house very much!
in china, there are so many houses were built in a short time ,but the windows is always been set after the wall is finished,because most buildings is lack of the system which keep it warm. but the windows of this house been set before the wall is finished.
could you give me some informations about it? thanks!:)
lavardera
07-07-2006, 16:06
iceheart - this is the standard practice with most residential windows in the USA. The windows have a "nailing flange" which is a small "wing" that extends from the edge of the frame. This is nailed to the face of the wall and leaves enough of the frame projecting to extend past the siding and trim. Siding and trim go over this and conceal it.
Look at the web sites for window manufacturers Andersen or Weather Shield and you will find details that you can download.
lavardera
07-07-2006, 16:10
I'm continuing to get good feedback from this project and at least 4 more people have gotten plans to build one since this one was done. Another customer from Canada is in the process of building one right now, although extensively modified for their climate, and north facing site:
http://www.lamidesign.com/plans/planscat/0242/0242const/0242pei_01.jpg
Its worth noting here that the builder has "equaled out" the treatment of the roof on the main volume and the porch making both similar in their form, the treatment of the side overhangs, and even the underlying framing. This was a frequent criticism of the original design by some community members. Here is a chance first hand to see it play out in this variation.
gre well done on getting a design that works...
i've been working at a furn comp and we have deisgns that we did 12 years ago and they still sell really well today, then we just built around our initial successful designs..
What are you plans for future, to have a housing comp of stock plans or to be more arch, also how are the other 4 houses progressing??
Congratulations Greg on the spread in Dwell! \
I hope it brings you new and fruitful work. You're a talented architect and you deserve the press. Plus I'm hoping if the lavardera-brand of modernism sweeps the nation, the sucess will trickle down to the rest of us a ppb!
imasayer
30-08-2006, 07:14
Congratulations Greg on the spread in Dwell! \
I hope it brings you new and fruitful work. You're a talented architect and you deserve the press. Plus I'm hoping if the lavardera-brand of modernism sweeps the nation, the sucess will trickle down to the rest of us a ppb!
Congrats, who says nice guys never win!?
Congrats, who says nice guys never win!?
how do you know, maybe he's not a nice guy!! :D :not worth
how do you know, maybe he's not a nice guy!! :D :not worth
Because he's not affraid to show his face around here!!!
lavardera
01-09-2006, 15:23
Thanks - I have not even seen the article yet. My issue has not arrived yet, but it seems like everybody else in the country has gotten the magazine already.
I appreciate the kind words, but I have to say that I've been pretty lucky to get coverage. There are lots of people out there doing good work and much more talent than me. I'll report back if the article brings in more interest in the houses. This particular design has been a best seller up till now I think just because there have been extensive photos from its construction. Otherwise it does not make sense - a 1400 sqft two bedroom house is below the american average.
WilsonMetry
04-09-2006, 00:12
Hey Greg!! Great job getting into DWELL. Just got my copy and wowza, nice spread. That should bring in some work.:cheers: CONGRATULATIONS!!
lavardera
04-09-2006, 03:10
It was not a feature article, but the "My House" column which is one of my favorite regular columns in Dwell.
It was not a feature article, but the "My House" column which is one of my favorite regular columns in Dwell.
thanks for pointing the location out Greg... I completely missed it... though I have only just browsed through the mag so far... congrats man... great stuff... now off to read the article :D :cheers: :rock on: :clap: :not worth
lavardera
12-10-2006, 06:55
Ok, a real treat for all my critics that were interested in a different expression of the roof form of the small roof element - one of my customers has built the house almost exactly as many of you have sketched! You don't usually get do-overs on projects, do you? Well that is the beauty of catalog house plans - you get to see how they build out many times! Ok - here it is:
http://files.livemodern.com/images/fsimage.2006-10-11.2719972799_image.jpeg
The main roof and smaller roof were treated more or less equally in this build, with the small roof loosing the boxy volume of my original design. They also dispensed with my overhang beams and side overhang rafters, instead treating both roofs with more conventional exposed rafter tails. I still favor the original but I like this way this one looks as well.
BrianMyers
14-10-2006, 04:59
I think it looks really good Greg. As a person with many plan homes out there myself, I know the fact that they are plan homes is both a good and bad thing. In other words, you have much less control over them which makes it a bit scary to see how the final product will turn out. Also, you can never know for certain if one of your projects has actually gotten built... you mostly just know if the plan itself sold. As a result... you never really know just how many homes you've designed are out there and what environment they've been built in. It's good to know you seem to be getting a good amount of client feedback from the process. Good job! :cheers:
I liked it.. you made a very insteresting project...
:D thanks for sharing
Chris Stewart
11-01-2007, 00:01
"...You don't usually get do-overs on projects, do you? Well that is the beauty of catalog house plans - you get to see how they build out many times! Ok - here it is:"
shhhh. That was suppose to be a designer secret. Enjoyed the read, thanks for sharing.
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