[interior] a fireplace

[flatfoot]

Hello, my first post, although I've been watching this place for some time now.
I'm a 1st year architecture student, just started using sketchup.

We're redesigning our home, so I thought I'd take a stab at some interior work now that I have some time.
This is the fireplace in the living room based on some dimensions of Varia Ah model of http://www.spartherm.com.
The exhaust pipe is already built in the wall, unfortunately pretty high (1,5m above floor). The extension at the door serves as a bench with piping run in it.
I tried to keep it at simple as I could and bring out the line which might eventually continue with similarly colored furniture.

feedback appreciated


section:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/dinoburek/section1.jpg

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/dinoburek/20.jpg

[badja]

Nice little interior detail flatfoot and welcome to the PPB2 :cheers:

[jparchitectus]

Nice concept...I would question how usable the log storage is...maybe it would be better for kindling, and then store the real wood elsewhere.

[trogers]

Nice concept...I would question how usable the log storage is...maybe it would be better for kindling, and then store the real wood elsewhere.

or maybe the logs eject like a gumball from a gumball machine...load them in the top; they automatically spit out into the fireplace!

[flatfoot]

I updated the images, thanks for the replies.

Hehe trogers, perhaps I could put a coin insertion hole somewhere :) . Which reminds me, there ought to be some vent holes somewhere (so the warm air comes out).
The log storage might be a bit small, but then again you don't keep a ton of wood in your living room. I made it so that it breaks the big mass of the whole thing.

more ideas welcome..
cheers

[Pedro Barradas]

I´m worried about the flue... I believe you don´t have enough space/geometry to exaust the smoke to the vertical or horizontal duct... :confused:

Have you checked manufacturer technical recomendations?
Or is forced exaustion...?

The design is Ok... that spartherm model (dual face) is being used in one of my constructions..

[flatfoot]

Sorry about that, I should have posted the plan in the first place.
It's like this:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y35/dinoburek/plan.jpg

I hope they can bend the pipe this much.

[Pedro Barradas]

Ha... Ok, now you must increase 10/20cm the top of the fireplace.
Don´t forget that model have the exaustion pipe at 1.20cm, the pipe is 250mm,so gives you 145cm + 5/10cm to the curve, plus 7/10cm for insulation and then the plaster board...

[Pedro Barradas]

Or... you may try this approach...

[MICHEL]

Flatfoot, thx for posting but please do not link your images but upload them here! Thank you.

[flatfoot]

Thanks for your response Pedro, it's good to hear from someone whose dealt with this kind of model/problem.

I don't understand what exactly you meant with moving that line (the dotted correction).
You're right about increasing the height of the whole thing, I think I could get away with it at about 165 cm (keeping some basic proportion - roughly 3 same parts 33+44+44+44).
Anyways, I'm going to talk to the stove-maker one of these days and see what he has to add.

I'm thinking of increasing the log storage area and shortening the bench a bit.

cheers

[imasayer]

Thanks for your response Pedro, it's good to hear from someone whose dealt with this kind of model/problem.

I don't understand what exactly you meant with moving that line (the dotted correction).
You're right about increasing the height of the whole thing, I think I could get away with it at about 165 cm (keeping some basic proportion - roughly 3 same parts 33+44+44+44).
Anyways, I'm going to talk to the stove-maker one of these days and see what he has to add.

I'm thinking of increasing the log storage area and shortening the bench a bit.

cheers

If you find the manufacturer and model you want, you can often download the complete installation instructions. Then you can determine the clearances you need for everything. This is where I got instructions for my last install. (http://www.monessenhearth.com/)

[Pedro Barradas]

IMASAYER, I think he already look at he manufacturer data...
Fireplace insert Varia Ah - the model "flatfoot" choose.

Here is an image... with logs inserting from the side :D :D :D

[::x_site::]

i think pedro has a point.... it's pratical and fewer potential issues later on.

[jparchitectus]

I´m worried about the flue... I believe you don´t have enough space/geometry to exaust the smoke to the vertical or horizontal duct... :confused:

Have you checked manufacturer technical recomendations?
Or is forced exaustion...?

The design is Ok... that spartherm model (dual face) is being used in one of my constructions..


Who is to say it doesn't go back into the wall?

[ReD]

I have a client who wants a hole in wall electric fire eg

www.flameritefires.com

Anyone have any experience in using these I have not seen one in real life ?

[sigue2000]

Hi Flatfoot,
why not deposit the logs underneath? I admire the general proportions as they are. Just my 2cents.

[flatfoot]

Hello again, thanks for the crits.

Sigue, i thought of that, but i think that with the white part at the bottom, the whole fireplace doesn't look as heavy...i mean, it does turn out quite big and i don't want it to overcome the space that it's in. I also believe that it gives a nice contrast to other elements and lets the long line stand out.
And besides that, you'd have woodchips laying all over the floor - not too practical for cleaning.

As for the installment...i haven't been able to reach the right stove-makers yet since they're all on vacation, so I'll get back to you with that.

[mimilapin]

hy Flatfoot

I really like your project.
Spartherm fireplaces ar my favorites. They are produced beside my city - in Strzelce Kraj. and my 2 friends work here :) .

[franjayo]

Welcome flatfoot,

Nice looking design. Although I have almost no experience in fireplaces as we never need them, I see Pedro's comment. I would think that the flue operationally works better vertically and your design goes against the nature of the problem.

I know this may be a different case, but in the August 2004 Paraguay Supermaket fire where over 400 died instantly, the cause was a horizontal flue which retained grease in the horizontal section:

http://www.contraincendioonline.com/bolanos3.php3

[koos]

I like the design overall but I wouldn't fold the horizontal shelf down at the right-hand side - it need to read as a floating shelf....

[thebear]

everytime I see logs in a livingroom I remember a friend nearly going nuts when he discovered that some of his antique livingroom-furniture had been invaded by woodworms. They obviously had been coming out of the logs stapled near his fireplace.
since every country has its parasites, worms,, spiders etc who admire living in dried wood I wondered if the ones designing fireplaces etc. ever wasted a thought about that, designed solutions...
I mean, a fireplace without its logs might just loose so much of its charm! but who´s got the money to buy new furnitures every few years.. :)

[Stijn]

Was the wood in long-storage-time? We only get so much wood in the living room as we can use in one day. And when the time for cosy fire is over, we restore the wood in the shed outside the house.

[thebear]

nah, not really.. max 2 days. long enough for some worms to fall out and have a party elsewhere.. :)

but if you make the logs and the storage a part of the design like in flatfoots and pedros examples, you don't get them in and out every time you're using the fireplace. (I wouldnt, too lazy.. :D )