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Hi,
I'm new here; does anyone have an idea how much an architect (Project Architect) with 9 years experience earns in India and/or Poland? We are looking at taking on an architect and would not like to either under- or overpay (we pay our country's rates). Our rents in our country are high so we take this into consideration and so I'd like just a base rate (before adding on all the extras).
Thanks and would appreciate the responses, if any.
Thanks!
Hi,
I'm new here; does anyone have an idea how much an architect (Project Architect) with 9 years experience earns in India and/or Poland? We are looking at taking on an architect and would not like to either under- or overpay (we pay our country's rates). Our rents in our country are high so we take this into consideration and so I'd like just a base rate (before adding on all the extras).
Thanks and would appreciate the responses, if any.
Thanks!
In India with 9 years experience pay is anything between US$350 to US$650
WilsonMetry
23-07-2006, 16:10
In India with 9 years experience pay is anything between US$350 to US$650
Nandish, is that per hour/per day/per week/per month or per year????
congellous
23-07-2006, 22:48
per month
Nandish, is that per hour/per day/per week/per month or per year????
Bang on congellous, its per month. Its pretty less compared to other countries.
jparchitectus
24-07-2006, 17:15
Bang on congellous, its per month. Its pretty less compared to other countries.
Month :eek:
A_Minima
24-07-2006, 18:08
That's why a lot of companies fired off their employers to move part of their production to India, China and other low cost countries. (I know what I'm talking about !!!)
That's why a lot of companies fired off their employers to move part of their production to India, China and other low cost countries. (I know what I'm talking about !!!)
And Argentina, rates here are about the same as in India.
jparchitectus
24-07-2006, 23:28
Cesar told me he made 2000 a month!
thanks for clearing that up :bump:
May be the cost of life in India is low also . That makes understand those values.
Poland:
architect - worker without experience - US$350-US$650
architect - worker with 5 years experience - US$500-US$1200
architect - own small firms (only owner) - US$650-US$....
A_Minima
27-07-2006, 10:27
Poland:
architect - worker without experience - US$350-US$650
architect - worker with 5 years experience - US$500-US$1200
architect - own small firms (only owner) - US$650-US$....
Europe of Economy can profit to some people (those how want to make profit by delocalise their activity).
Europe of Social Equality is far, very far, for those how are working for the firsts !!!
Ross Millaney
27-07-2006, 11:19
A MONTH?! Holy Crap! Thats awful-Im only going into third year and im making 2000 a month during this summer?!:confused:
Pedro Barradas
27-07-2006, 12:03
In Portugal, the situation is not very different from Poland...
I have some friends receiving about 5/6 € per hour, so I´m talking about 1000€ per month, and with more than 5years experience...
Public Architects (who works in local, regional and national instituitions) weage starts from 1200€ month... gross salary.... after taxes, probably they remain with 800/900€...
PS: a domestic cleaner gets 5€ to 7€ per hour around here.... and most of the times doesn´t even pay taxes or have any responsability.
:puke:
Ross Millaney
27-07-2006, 15:21
minimum wage in ireland is 7.65!I cannot believe architects can be paid as little as 5!!:eek:
all right, start telling us about inmigration policies in Ireland!! LOL
Pedro Barradas
27-07-2006, 15:59
minimum wage in ireland is 7.65!I cannot believe architects can be paid as little as 5!!:eek:
I even have a friend... who is stupidly being paid 2.5€ per hour... this is insane, terrible and sad...
I pay my daftsman about 7€ per hour....
Ross Millaney
27-07-2006, 16:17
Well Im an imigrant!!Im from London-grew up in ireland though,probably consider myself european since I now have no nationality!(hence the avatar!)Imigration?!ah sure why not!theres too many jobs anyway! :D
Ross Millaney
27-07-2006, 16:20
although...cost of living is insane-just had lunch-a panini, a wrap and 1l of water= e12.50!But hey im not hungry any more!:rolleyes:
Pedro Barradas
27-07-2006, 17:19
although...cost of living is insane-just had lunch-a panini, a wrap and 1l of water= e12.50!But hey im not hungry any more!:rolleyes:
Yes..thats expensive... You get a full meal, in a medium-high restaurant for about 15€ per person.
A cheap meal (Lunch), including bootle 20cl water, 1 dish of slow food, coffe (expresso), is about 5/ 6€
Macdonalds MacMenu is 4.5€.... :cheers:
congellous
27-07-2006, 17:35
In Brighton UK (just south of London)
a 1 bed flat is about £180,000 - wages £25-£35k per annum, a whole house with garden £350-750k
Hence a lot of architects are still renting in this city!
One word about Germany:
The situation in Germany isn't very good either for architects at the moment.
A friend of mine (graduate architect) just started in one of the better known practices in Germany. He gets 1000 € (before tax) and is even foolish enough to do overtime (for which he is - of course - not being paid for).
The worst month he had was 250 hours for 750€ after tax.
ok, where is my calculator... That is 3€ per hour.
Brave new world!
- The policy of that practice is that their employees should feel lucky that they are 'allowed' to work for them.
Because mentioning their name in your CV should be payment enough.
That's fair enough... they don't seem to have a hard time finding enough architects out there who accept to work under these conditions...
But it should gnaw at their conscience...
Here in Denmark working part time as a student i get 16 euros an hour. Danes would have to pay close to 50 percent tax of this, but students from Iceland, the Faroe Islands, and Pakistan (don't ask me why) don't have to pay tax in Denmark as long as they don't earn over 10.000 euros. Being from Iceland, I pocket the whole 16 euros. Cost of living is really high here though. A BigMac meal is about 8 euros and a draft beer about 5 to give you guys some idea.
Moita_UFF
28-07-2006, 16:48
A friend of mine (graduate architect) just started in one of the better known practices in Germany. He gets 1000 € (before tax) and is even foolish enough to do overtime (for which he is - of course - not being paid for).
The worst month he had was 250 hours for 750€ after tax.
ok, where is my calculator... That is 3€ per hour.
Brave new world!
- The policy of that practice is that their employees should feel lucky that they are 'allowed' to work for them.
Because mentioning their name in your CV should be payment enough.
That's fair enough... they don't seem to have a hard time finding enough architects out there who accept to work under these conditions...
But it should gnaw at their conscience...
News from south!
I didnt believe the european situation could be like that...
Here in Brasil not different at all. Just as back2b said, the well-know architecture offices are usually the ones who underpays employees...
I'm still a student and used to work in one of those... International projects, around 40 architects in two offices (Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo)... For a recently graduated archtect, salaries were about US$800 and 1200 for a month... Overtimes almost a rule and not payed, no professional register, pressure, etc... In other minor offices this goes down to 600...
Minimum architects wage here in Brasil are today US$1400 + benefits such as transportation and food... But the only way to get it here is working for major companies...
Architects are usually underpaid, when they're paid... lots of friends are graduating and have no job...
Pedro Barradas
28-07-2006, 18:14
I didnt believe the european situation could be like that...
...
Architects are usually underpaid, when they're paid... lots of friends are graduating and have no job...
Well, Moita this is it... for a country with 10Million inhabitants, every year 1400 new architects arrive to the market....:eek: (registred architects are about 15000 now!!!)
The situation is pretty dramatic for architects in Portugal... and of course, with competition from drafsmans (who jobs are signed by Engineers and/or architects), Engineers and other technicians....
There is a LOT of unemployment for architects, some already suspended their registration, so they dont work in the field or don´t have the income to pay the Architects Order
gaffaman
28-07-2006, 18:32
The policy of that practice is that their employees should feel lucky that they are 'allowed' to work for them.
Because mentioning their name in your CV should be payment enough.
That's fair enough... they don't seem to have a hard time finding enough architects out there who accept to work under these conditions...
But it should gnaw at their conscience...
Architecture is a profession that eats its young.
I seem to remember hearing several years ago that a prominent US firm (Morphosis? does someone else remember?) wasn't paying their interns at all. Having their name on the resume was supposed to be compensation enough. Personally, I thinks that's slavery in the truest sense. Which is worse, working for someone who doesn't value your contribution, or agreeing to work for someone who doesn't value your contribution?
Low wages for architects seems to be a universal problem. :bang head Who knew?
Just yesterday we were talking with my friends that architects should be more like lawyers and charge for absolutely everything, but then again that doesn't change the situation for employees. At least in my city being an intern lawyer or something simmilar usually is ad honorem
Pedro Barradas
28-07-2006, 21:01
Just yesterday we were talking with my friends that architects should be more like lawyers and charge for absolutely everything,
Funny you mentioned this... it´s what I´m doing now... after 8 years being foul.
I have to say that, clients now give more value to my job...
And think twice, before request anything...
Good to read that. Definitely a sign that we need to value our work more. I have a meeting today and have to tell a client that we're charging him for the preliminary project. Wish me luck!!
Pedro Barradas
28-07-2006, 23:16
Good luck... but always, but always give the client the "figures" before start any job...
Or you may be in middle of something you don´t wish, and in a very weak position to negotiate...
Always clarify the money issue first.
nicholas
29-07-2006, 05:20
Funny you mentioned this... it´s what I´m doing now... after 8 years being foul.
I have to say that, clients now give more value to my job...
And think twice, before request anything...
Exactly; when it is clear that once a stage is signed off- they have to re pay the fees for that stage....the client does not act on whim
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