Ivy Architecture

[jparchitectus]

Anyone one recall seeing a contemporary residential project that floated a metal cage over the basic structure and let ivy or some type of planting make the shape of the structure....something like this?

Any help would be great!

Thanks in advance :D

[Hotrats]

It's by a Danish Summer house by Claus Hermansen (pg 248 of the Phaidon Architecture Atlas). I can't fit the bl**dy book on my scanner it's too big.

Check this though

http://www.claus-hermansen.dk/projekter.htm

http://www.detail.de/Archiv/En/HoleArtikel/2713/Artikel

[jparchitectus]

It's by a Danish Summer house by Claus Hermansen (pg 248 of the Phaidon Architecture Atlas). I can't fit the bl**dy book on my scanner it's too big.

Check this though

http://www.claus-hermansen.dk/projekter.htm

http://www.detail.de/Archiv/En/HoleArtikel/2713/Artikel


JACK POT!


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Thanks so much, I have beein trying to find this image for my mothers project for some time now.

[jparchitectus]

There site seems to be down now. :o

[?eter]

Jakob (http://www.jakobstainlesssteel.com/) make hardware for doing this kind of thing (http://www.jakobstainlesssteel.com/green.html)- I even think I found an SU component somewhere once up on a time. Anyway, they do a 'green catalog' which is a guide to plants for various climates, which systems work best which which plants etc. the pdf is here (http://www.jakobstainlesssteel.com/pdf/Green_G1.pdf).

[RASTI]

You can use Parthenocissus tricuspidata for that effect. Take a look here (http://www.fassadengruen.de/uw/kletterpflanzen/uw/wilder-wein/wilder-wein.htm) (only German)

[kwistenbiebel]

Boy oh boy, this is such a useful thread.:cool:
This is great information, even with technicalities and all.
Keep on posting guys....loving it.

Shigeru Ban also works a lot with ivy supporting structures.

[6L20]

Hi, you can also check for this project from jean nouvel near bordeaux :

http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Bor/BouliacStJamesNou.jpg

Hope this will help

[jparchitectus]

Very nice additions to this thread. I was curious of another way to detail it without having to wrap the entire project in a "cage".

This detail could be used to do partial planes...or express other elements in a different way.

[cacapis]

Ivy attaches itself to almost any kind of surface. Besides you can choose different types of ivy. Here at home we have a perennial one with a very small leaf that covers walls very well during the whole year.

[Brian T]

Careful with the ivy! Those roots can wreak havoc on stucco or brick and in a climate subject to freeze/thaw that spells trouble!

[cacapis]

they surely ruin paint or stucco, but if you have it over bare brickwork it'll have minimal effect.

[Brian T]

they surely ruin paint or stucco, but if you have it over bare brickwork it'll have minimal effect.

I would disagree... The ivy that grows in our neck of the woods likes to pull the mortar right our of the joints and spall bricks. It's the hearty northern stuff, not the hanging out at the beach in a thong variety...

[seabert]

i agree...a friend of mine bought a house wich litteraly had an ivy-forrest against the walls and on the roof...not only the roots had a diameter of more then 30cm...the mortar was replaced by wood...the outer shell of the building was unrepairable...but hey...it looked really nice and romantic

[jparchitectus]

Careful with the ivy! Those roots can wreak havoc on stucco or brick and in a climate subject to freeze/thaw that spells trouble!

That is exactly what I was thinking...you really need to be able to have connections and detailing that stands the ivy far enough off the surface that it does not destroy the finish.

[SWANK-E]

Parthenocissus tricuspidata (Boston Ivy) is what is commonly used a wall climber plant and it's deciduous, can cause damage to masonry walls but excellent for concrete walls.

Hedera helix (Common Ivy, English Ivy) is the nasty stuff that is very very invasive. Starts as a ground cover and creeps up walls and through anything. Be careful when you are referring to Ivy!

[SWANK-E]

Shigeru Ban also works a lot with ivy supporting structures.

on that note.... the famous published photos of Shigeru Ban's 'Ivy House' was actually FAKE!

Yes, he told the story himself. The ivy was only recently planted and therefore plastic ones had to make do for the photo shoot.

[cacapis]

Well but that raises another question. The house that has it's mortar replaced by wood is working fine isn't it? No humidity problems or filtering of water I guess. And on the other hand we don't know if the examples of houses that have the ivy separated from the house work well. That in-between space would be an uncontrollable layer and ideal housing for bats.
Ivy needs maintenance like any plant. Here at home we replace sections of the plant every once in a while because the branches are getting too thick.

[cacapis]

Ok, This is what we have here at my place.
This one is a decidious fast growing one. Very thin branches but big three lobed dented edged leaves.
This one has grown from the neighbours this summer. We had nothing last year.

[cacapis]

This is the other one. Perennial, small cordate even edged leaves and thick branches. This one also covers walls very evenly and can be trimmed thin. It grows quite slowly and makes it very controllable. If you keep it thin it doesn't ruin the walls very much, just the paint and some plaster.

[cacapis]

anyways, I don't know if this is of any use to Jason, since this is a subtropical climate and we never get any snow.
By the way I don't have a clue on the names of those plants in english.

[seabert]

Well but that raises another question. The house that has it's mortar replaced by wood is working fine isn't it? No humidity problems or filtering of water I guess

yeps...indeed..it my case it was a 100+ years old house...and the part with the most ivy was actually the warmest and the side with a good humidity level...that 's why they left the ivy on...and offcourse for the looks of it....i'll post some pictures soon...

[Hemma]

The last place I stayed at had ivy growing on one of the walls.
Eventually, it crawled through the gaps in the window frame and cracked it. That might be something worth considering.

[sigue2000]

Ivy is a heavily negativ phototrope plant, which means it will grow its roots into darkness. So each little crack or crevice will be potentially endangered as soon as the roots start gaining in thickness. Ivy will cling to glass also.
The interesting thing is that ivy (hedera helix) can grow up to 15(!) meters in height, staying green all year round and neglecting orientation. But these facts show that it wants to survive bigtime come what may.:(

Jason, one problem you will have with steel cages is that they get too hot for most plants to grow on. Cables are a lot better, or wire mantled with fiberglas. The picture that was shown in DETAIL (http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6163&postcount=2) is fake. Ivy wouldn't grow on that due to its temperature and the lack of good surface to root on. Apart from that you would have to cut open the window openings all the time.

The choice of plant is very delicate. If you aren't dependant on an evergreen plant you could check for some alternatives here (http://www.biotekt.de/datindex.htm). I visited this guy while I was working on an office project in school that was to be 'greened-up'. My tip is wine (Parthenocissus quinquefolia ).

The table reads:

1. location 100% = sunny / 0% = shade
2. winter resistance in celcius
3. maximum height
4. minimal distance for 'climbing' aids
5. maximum distance
6. diameter D of 'climbing' aid or U for arbitrary shape
7. distance from wall

[?eter]

Cacapis- those plants you posted pics of:
The first is a Parthenocissus -Boston Ivy that Swanke spoke about, or one of it's realtives.
The second is Ficus Pumila, it's called Tickey Creeper here, I think in the states it's called Creeping Fig.

Both of these grow pretty well where I live- warm summers and (slightly) below freezing winters- so they are frost hardy but probably not good for severe snow etc.

The key thing to look at with these plants is how they attach themselves to the wall:


Roses etc. just send out long stems, they basically need to be tied down to the supports actively. Lots of work, but no chance of damaging the structure

Other plants grow in spirals that wrap around things- these are also not too invasive.

Ivy (Hedera) sends out a little root that has a 'glue' that sticks to the wall- there are a few plants that do this and they can tear a good piece of stucco out with them when you pull them off a wall.

finally, the Ficus above and also Ivy eventually send out full sized roots into the wall- through joins in the mortar etc. These plants need practically no assistance sticking to the wall but stand a good chance of damaging it given enough time.

[sigue2000]

Good point Peter.

I forgot to emphasize the different techniques of attachment that different plants have. Depending on that, you will have to select your underlying construction.

[jace]

hey, i need to find buildings with growth on them. like a building designed with a covering of moss or some other plant. can anyone post any pics or give me the name of any building. my hand in is tomorrow and i need some building precidents. thanks a lot in advance. jason

[MICHEL]

Check THIS (http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=616&highlight=ivy) thread about ivy covered buildings. Hope this helps.

[cheffey]

I believe Lewis Tsurumaki Lewis had a project on the Seagrams Building where this "Greenspace" rose up and down the outside of the building. It would be most easily found in Pamphlet Architecture 21: Situation Normal...

[jace]

thankyou so much guys, great help :cheers:

[SWANK-E]

threads merged

[jesse]

http://www.greenscreen.com/

Greenscreen® is a three dimensional, welded wire trellising system.The distinctive modular trellis panel is the building block of the greenscreen® system. Rigid and lightweight standard 3" or 2" thick panels are 4' wide x 6', 8', 10',12’, or 14' tall.

[Frenchy Pilou]

Quai Branly (http://www.quaibranly.fr/sommaire.php3?id_rubrique=20&R=2) by Patrick Blanc

[sigue2000]

Also see this recent building by architects Fink + Jocher (http://www.fink-jocher.de/frame_prj_garching.html)
Published in 'Detail' 11/2005 (http://www.detail.de/Archiv/En/HoleArtikel/5575/Artikel)

[jparchitectus]

Very Nice - Thanks for sharing Sigue :clap: