View Full Version : The Gyeonggi_do Jeongok Prehistory Museum competition
Location
Gyeonggi_do Jeongok - South of Korea
Type of Project
The Jeongok-ri Paleolithic Site & the Gyeonggi-do Jeongok Prehistory Museum competition
Location - In Gyeonggi-do Provincal South of Korea
Tools/Programs- Autocad, Sketchup, Photoshop
By architect
Design summary
Will the Gyeonggi_do Jeongok Prehistory Museum in Yeoncheon-gun, always keeping his form, and his proper scale, be survival in response to environment harmonization criterion?
Architect proposes:
The principal objectives are to make an overall master plan. This included the creation of links with the environment. The stabilization of the building in the site, the organization of car-parking within the accessible road from the national highway; and the creation of the panoramic views adjacent to the prehistory site such as the excavations site included the whole place of Jeongok-ri 538-1, Goneung-ri san1 Jeongok-eup Yeoncheon-gun and the Hantan river, especially the surrounding.
The site is accessible from the N°3 national highway and is bordered on around by the Hantan River. Visitors who come by car are accommodated in one big car-park set into existent ground.
The Prehistory Museum is set on a promontory on the two mains East-west and North-west – South-east axis and given a better view around. The environment elements like the river, the paddy fields, the cultivated fields are representative of achievement in Yeongok-ri, which will be the most strongly masterplanned and best designed of the building and its site, and where much of the open spaces will be designed for long term use.
The design shows how urban natures can be retained by creative conservation and how coherence can be created.
The “boulevard” covered the trees is created as a landscape vocabulary of the site into a design of pattern, line and perspective with meanings refer to the conditions of the site; the uneven grounded level.
The systematic concept is based on a surface of visually consistent homogeneity, which however is allowed to change. The tactile properties, the crudeness of overall space which is situated on the basalt site enclosed Hantan River. Refined material will be incorporated in the surfaces from the former museum site...
Architectural Design Concept(on my website www.hnk.cjb.net)
General view of Museum site
The Museum limit (Limit A)_Master plan
Love ur work man nice
5 star from my side for sure
love those sections, very interestin! so are the views. Everything just right about them.
keep it coming man
It's great project! Could you express... more about the main idea?
You move too fast "anh Ho Nguyen Khoa"!. :rock on:
I'm K93 from SG Arch University too.
It's nice to meet you here.
imasayer
08-04-2006, 07:21
I think a section through the big cantilevering box would be nice. (I see you have one very small one) It seems to be the most prominent part of your scheme, but I do not understand the space, the structural system, or the "big idea". I think a section through that piece of the project would be very telling. Is this project more about the site or about the building?
I don't mean to take away from a beautiful presentation, but the presentation is primarily exterior images. I want to know that this project is more than a pretty face. It certainly is a pretty face though.
A floor plan may not hurt either.
GinSoakedBoy
08-04-2006, 18:10
I saw you post this yesterday and as you were posting i always thought that was something missing and that it would be in the next image. In the end it wasn´t.
Like imasayer, i don´t understand how this is related with your masterplan or the site.
Je suis vraiment désolé de vous répondre tardivement.
I'm so sorry for responding lately. I just comeback from Belgium.
I hope i have some times for posting fews of images and the plans.... You know, i have had only 16 days for this competion....
I will post the text of this project soon.
Have a nice weekend my guys.
Sorry for my bad English now cause long time no use, but i think it come back soon when i have a chance to discute here.
Thanks again.
The Museum site given by the promoter. Considering the uneven ground of the Museum site,the entry of the museum from the outside road need to be considered. Then, enought parking space accommdating for 50 vehicles and 10 visitor's buses parking.
The project looks great, but I would really like to see a floor plan with it.
The site looks as though it is a bit far from the the urban areas, which is tough for a civic building such as a museum. For instance, you have incorporated some beautiful outdoor spaces, but for the public to reach them, they have to drive there and then park in a parking lot. That makes me think they won't be used as well as they could be.
This plan show the visitors access from the Bus Parking, the museum entrance, the administrative access, the entrance hall, and the exhibition hall (at level +2.100).
so sorry for the image size 700 x X, i can't show you the larger one.
... So you know Coral, this prehistoric site is very important, i will try to explain clearly...The Gyeonggi Provincal Government, the promoter of the International Competition, seeks for the architectural design for a state-of-art Museum providing facilities and access to the Jeongok-ri prehistoric site and its rich archaeological discoveries. Jeongok-ri in Gyeonggi-do, with the discovery of Acheulian handaxe, has been considered as one of the most important Paleolithic site in world archaeology; The jeongok-ri Paleolithic site is considered to be one of the best-preserved and largest on the Korean penisula. The Acheulen type handaxes were found at this site in the first time in Esat Asia in 1978 by an American when visiting the Hantan River. The new findings here weakened Movius' hypothesis that proposed dichotomus Paleolithic traditions between the Eastern and Western Old Worlds. The museum will therefore provide an extraordinary experience for the general public as well as the archeologist worldwide.
So the landscape design of this site should be treated carefully by the existent excavations not far from the building limit and then become the outdoor exhibition (master plan), we must think of vehicals parking which is accessible from the national route No°3 for the public and researchers. The visitor' buses parking is also accessible from the national route by making use of the existent route village through the site. Then the footbridge rampe down to the main entrance to reorient visitors to the museum from the buses parking, and the footbridge rampe up to reorient visitors and archaeologists to the outdoor exhibition and the excavation site.
GROUND FLOOR PLAN
plan Levels +13.900 & +19.700
I think a section through the big cantilevering box would be nice. (I see you have one very small one)....
Re: Yes you are right Imasayer, i really want to make this section but you know the 6 boards for this project is so tight to make such a section, so i have decided to take the little one, it's an obstacle but we have noway else.
Moreover, the presentation is strictement indicated the design guideline; the first board for the perspective bird 's eye view, the second for the master plan....
Give me your ideas, please, thanks in advanced.
imasayer
10-04-2006, 17:04
The floor plans and some of the other drawings are a little hard to see, so it is hard to really give you a good critique because I still don't understand the spaces very well. I think it is enough to understand the big moves.
Your presentation is quite nice. Real eye candy!
The exterior works pretty well. I really like the treatment of openings. My main comment would be that you have over designed this a little. I think that there are too many things going on. The building looks like it was designed in three different parts that do not relate to each other clearly enough. My main comment would be to simplify. You create this really simple site plan with really powerful Ando-esque geometries, then that power is lost on the outside of the building.
One pragmatic issue, the big sloping box down to the entry, would that become a huge waterfall over the entry when it rained? (see post #4) I do like the form very much, the entry sequence is very nice, just wondering.
This is a great project! You got so much done in a short time. You should be very proud!
Thanks for your critiques Imasayer. It 's very important for me and for all here. I'm very regret not be able to show clearly the plans cause of its size.
In the beginning, i thought that 6 boards of A2 format are sufficient for this presentation but in the end it was very difficult to express your ideas on it. But i tried to design not only the outside of the building and the site (by the requirements of the treatement carefully the landscape and the outdoor exhibition not far from the excavation pit , and then provide a view to the archaeological (excavation) site in the north and the Hantan River in the South), but also the inside of the building which response to the fonction of museum and his position in the world ( the conference hall is more central which create a lien from the museum and the administration sections)... By his position and orientation of this project, i think that it respect completely its integration in the landscape.
GinSoakedBoy
10-04-2006, 21:08
congratulations for a really good presentation =)
Really nice presentation, HNK.
I especially like the integration into the site and the outdoor spaces you created. The outside of the building is nice, if a bit overdone. It's hard to tell exactly what the spaces are like indoors, but like you said, you were constrained for space on your presentation boards. I suspect the sections say a lot more in person than they do at this small of scale.
Only one question, Did you really do all of this in 16 days?
Thanks for your remarques Coral.
I really had only 16 days for that and thanks to Sketchup (not with Artlantis or 3Dmax this time, problem of time) and Photoshop, i can do it by myself. If they haven't changed the deadline of submission, i would have some more time. But it 's great for me this time because i have just used Sketchup for the second time (the first time for another national competition for my firm, so that's a good experience for me.
Yes, 16 days but 2 or 3 hours for sleeping a day :-(
No, all the section scale is 1/200, included all plans and elevations, except site plan on scale 1/500, the Master plan scale 1/1.200
Very nice job !!!
I think that drawings in panels #1 #2 are a little bit overcolored & oversized, but it´s a personal impression. I like the overall composition, anyway.
Nice to see you here Tadao. May i asked what's your real name?
Won't anyone say something about that...? I'm sorry to be the bad guy here, but this is meaningless, straight out of the post medernist 80th... What do you want to say with this project...
primocordara
18-04-2006, 16:33
?? say about what? could you please explain your coment, 6L20?
Where do you see 80's post modernism in this project? Prehaps it is a bit "manieristic" , or the sloping volume is a bit "anecdotal", I don't clearly see a "justification" (if there must be one?) for that, but I don't understand your 80's coment...
imasayer
18-04-2006, 16:59
Won't anyone say something about that...? I'm sorry to be the bad guy here, but this is meaningless, straight out of the post medernist 80th... What do you want to say with this project...
I am afraid your comment is meaningless. There are some elements that do remind me of Eisenman, but that is not enough to label this post modern. Many pieces of this project look much more like other language used today. You are entitled to your opinion, but why not make it something constructive. All you have done up to this point is insult this project. You are welcome to be blunt, but you should back up what you are saying so you don't make an ass of yourself.
primocordara
18-04-2006, 17:08
Ditto Imasayer, (hey, we seem to agree more and more, whattsdamaterrr??:D ) :cheers:
Ok ok ok....I recognize I've been a bit light and rough in my post and I apologize for that... I first want to aknowledge the great amount and quality of work presented by HNK on this competition, wich was difficult. I also must admit I started this competition and didn't finish...
That being said, I still think this is a very light answer to a UIA international open competition in terms of architecture, sorry! You see some ANDO there!!! Maybe in plan, Eisenmann!!! please you must be kinding me! There is no concept, no work on what an contemporary exhibition space sould be, no work from the inside. What's the attitude towards light, lanscape, views etc... The building is supposed to be build against a 15meter kind of cliff, where is is? And about the 80's look, sorry if you dont see it but have a beter look at views 2&3, square compositions, black glass gurtain walls, tilted blocks, curves etc... This is architectural vocabulary used in office buildings all around the world, not in state of the arts contemporary museums.
On www.europaconcorsi.com there are some projects published for this competition that didn't win anything and that are true museums, when the winners will be published, we might discuss again about it...
Anyway, I dont mean any disrespect and as I said, I didn't even finish this competition. When I wrote 'what do you want to say with this project' I refer to LeCorbusier who was constantly asking that question, and sincerely, I don't think this project says anythng about museums or architectural research, even if I think there's an serious amount of work and quality in the plans. I just think the most important isn't there : the concept, the starting point...
Check the winners HERE (http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/rec/concorso.php?id=11967&hl=54826#54826)
That's your idea 6L20, thanks. But when you haven't finished your competion, you shouldn't talk about the concept here. May be you have your concept but you can't finish it. For your attention of the 15meters kind of cliff??? may i asked you something? have you all of the pictures of this site? and have you ever been there for studies on this site? Have you see the field of flowers and paddy there? Something i want to talk to you; you received the guideline and something like that, but you haven't seen it with your "propres yeux" and you don't undestand the korean culture.
You wrote :" I don't think this project says anythng about museums or architectural research...."
The reseach of contemporary architecture like some of the museums on the world... is not very very important for this site when it looks as though it is a big far from the urban areas. So we shall not put an architecture like the Guggenheim Museum in Bilbao, do you understand?
I wonderd if you were an architect??? and if you were, i think that you always have the european concept in your head. We hope you will post your unfinished concept here so that we can discuss on it. Thanks again.
Hi HNK, sorry I pissed you off, I understand that :-(
I will post the work I did before stopping probably tomorrow, I am to busy right now. As for the cliff, it seems quiet smooth on your pictures indeed, the cross sections I made from the competition documents seemed more abrupt. Anyway, I don't imagine a guggenheim here, and yes I am an architect.
Later, 6L20
imasayer
19-04-2006, 16:52
Ok ok ok....I recognize I've been a bit light and rough in my post and I apologize for that... I first want to aknowledge the great amount and quality of work presented by HNK on this competition, wich was difficult. I also must admit I started this competition and didn't finish...
That being said, I still think this is a very light answer to a UIA international open competition in terms of architecture, sorry! You see some ANDO there!!! Maybe in plan, Eisenmann!!! please you must be kinding me! There is no concept, no work on what an contemporary exhibition space sould be, no work from the inside. What's the attitude towards light, lanscape, views etc... The building is supposed to be build against a 15meter kind of cliff, where is is? And about the 80's look, sorry if you dont see it but have a beter look at views 2&3, square compositions, black glass gurtain walls, tilted blocks, curves etc... This is architectural vocabulary used in office buildings all around the world, not in state of the arts contemporary museums.
On www.europaconcorsi.com there are some projects published for this competition that didn't win anything and that are true museums, when the winners will be published, we might discuss again about it...
Anyway, I dont mean any disrespect and as I said, I didn't even finish this competition. When I wrote 'what do you want to say with this project' I refer to LeCorbusier who was constantly asking that question, and sincerely, I don't think this project says anythng about museums or architectural research, even if I think there's an serious amount of work and quality in the plans. I just think the most important isn't there : the concept, the starting point...
Thank you for clarifying your post. This is a much better crit. I agree with you about the concept. I said before that the building seems to have several seemingly unrelated parts that could have been more closely tied had there been a ruling concept.
HNK,
If you are going to post on this forum you can not expect every post to be a pat on the back. I would encourage you to argue you points based one the merits of the crit. Try not to get personal. I know that we grow attached to our projects but, it is wise to step back and look at our work critically.
imasayer
19-04-2006, 16:54
Ditto Imasayer, (hey, we seem to agree more and more, whattsdamaterrr??:D ) :cheers:
I have taught you well primo-san! That is the only possible explanation!;)
Yes, i see Imasayer, you're a very good boy.
Cordially
By the way HNK, you tell me you wont build a Guggenheim there because it is a quiet non-urban environnement, but I find your building very very big and imposing, and very urban like!
Check this one out for example (this project as a honorable mention)
http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pubrec/architecture.php?id_scheda=4263&idimg=26041
Even if you don't know I know much about architecture, I know this building is an attempt to work with its surrounding, an attempt to create a singular space and object, inside and outside, and I know it's a cultural building in just a quick second... As far as my lack of korean culture is concerned, this is totally irrelevant !!! Let me point out that no korean architect as won a prize or a honorable mention for this competition...
I meant Even if you don't THINK I know much about architecture etc....
Anyway I really want to say I totally respect your work, which seem very compleet and precise, especially in such a short amount of time ! We just don't have the same taste, thats all ;-)
Oui, quel dommage :)
if we had 60 days for a such competition :), but it's in the past.
I know, that's why I stopped, some other work going made it too short for us..
another deadborn project !!! There will be others
yes,
Now there is a competition for Bridge-museum for "Venice 2006", which will take place from April of this year until October of 2006 and is opened to all professionals worldwide.
come here to see the information.
http://www.arquitectum.com/concursos/venecia_en_1.php
primocordara
19-04-2006, 19:48
I have taught you well primo-san! That is the only possible explanation!;)
:bang head :bang head NO way Imasayerkun!
BruceWalker
20-04-2006, 03:10
Well HNK, I think your work is good.
Well thought out and well presented. Some may disagree with your concept and even though I couldn't read the page Digdoi posted, I think it meant someone else won.
However, you should be proud of what you've accomplished - especially given the tight delivery. :cheers: :clap:
I concur with other requests for a section through the auditorium space - it'd be interesting to see inside how it's formed.
abrupt cliff mentioned?
ahh no, sorry, just noticed that was artificial, proposal by Giorgio Santagostino (Italy) (http://www.europaconcorsi.com/db/pubrec/architecture.php?id_scheda=4288&idimg=26149).
that scheme rocks my world though, especially that shot earlier
Section through the auditorium space
Administration + Conference
BruceWalker, thanks for your encouragement.
I've posted now the section through the auditorium space, hope that you can "read" it :-).
a+
you can download all the particitating projects' pdfs here (http://203.241.236.99/main/main.asp?content=../content/exhibit.htm). that's not so common, is it?
interesting to find out that people like Lars Spuybroek or Jun Aoki also took part.
edit: and Andy Maynard! I think I've seen him around Pushpullbar:)
edit: and Andy Maynard! I think I've seen him around Pushpullbar:)i helped him with the renders ;)
kschetan
12-05-2006, 15:37
Interesting geometry.... the intersection converted into a transitional space is nicely explored.
primocordara
23-05-2006, 16:53
Weird? no problem here...
Weird? no problem here...
:confused:
primocordara
23-05-2006, 20:20
:confused:
dohh, I don't even remember what I meant, but I'm sure it made sense then, never mind Digdoi:wondering :rolleyes: :eek:
dohh, I don't even remember what I meant, but I'm sure it made sense then, never mind Digdoi:wondering :rolleyes: :eek:
JAJAJAJAJAJA!:D
mikheilrdze
07-07-2006, 05:59
Nice project :)
Where can I find the images of the winner projects in more or less good quality?
Nice project :)
Where can I find the images of the winner projects in more or less good quality?
HERE (http://203.241.236.99/main/main.asp?content=../content/exhibit.htm)
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