Cenography for a Led Zeppelin concert

[Moita_UFF]

Hi people!

This is my propuse for a Led Zeppelin concert in Rio de Janeiro at 'Cidade do Rock', where the legendary 'Rock in Rio' onde took place.
It was made for a discipline at university which is about scenography projects.
Made in Sketchup, rendered in 3D MAX using Vray and post work in PS.
C&C are welcome! :)

[Moita_UFF]

Another scene.

[Moita_UFF]

And Another.

[Moita_UFF]

And just one more...

[WilsonMetry]

sce·nog·ra·phy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-ngr-f)
n.
The art of representing objects in perspective, especially as applied in the design and painting of theatrical scenery.

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[Moita_UFF]

What!?
Is this only a writing correction?

[Francesco]

Hi Moita...is it a proposal for a real work or just for the fun ?
Imagine... Led Zepp !

Francesco

[Moita_UFF]

It's an university project...
Then i could say it's just for fun... But if they get interested, it's for real! :)

[WilsonMetry]

What!?
Is this only a writing correction?

Moita_UFF,
I was not sure what you were referring to in your description. Clarification for myself and anyone else who was wondering. The definition states that it has more to do with the illusion of space and perspective created on stage than in actual venue design. Yours seems to be more focused on venue and proscenium placement than scenography. Right? Or maybe that was your intent....

[primocordara]

yes, I don't see much of the design here, just the typical rock concert stage...?

[back2b]

Hey c'mon, this really looks like Southpark.

I have to agree that I cannot see any design idea behind this project.
It's really just a normal stage?
What was your intention behind it?
What is the idea? Is that Zeppelin in the air the only link you are doing with the band. And I would even question if this is actually a good one?

[Moita_UFF]

Moita_UFF,
I was not sure what you were referring to in your description. Clarification for myself and anyone else who was wondering. The definition states that it has more to do with the illusion of space and perspective created on stage than in actual venue design. Yours seems to be more focused on venue and proscenium placement than scenography. Right? Or maybe that was your intent....

Got it. Maybe the definition isn't quite what i was trying to achieve... Thoug i think i managed to create 'the illusion of space'...

[Moita_UFF]

Hi back2b!
Sorry, but i think you don't know Led Zeppelin...
The main idea was to have the 'Hermit' (i don't konw this is the actual translation for what i call Eremita), a tarot figure which is on the cover of a Led CD and represents a lot the band mystic and feeling... Then according to the set list i would have different atmospheres such as i posted... Some with more lighting, some creating a darker and obscure scene, a special one for 'Moby Dick' song when John Bonham stays alone at the stage, and his drums over some kind of plataform would be elevated and brought to the proscenium. The fog was supposed to give the illusion of a floating drum...
And also a first scene that would be the concert opening with the Led components symbols projected at this background plane (the hermit one).
The Zeppelin in the air, has nothing to do with the project... It's just a joke... :)

[Moita_UFF]

primo,

as you said it was supposed to be a typical Rock Concert Stage for one of the greatest typical rock bands... and i don't see any problem at all with that...

I got a bit said with the comments as i was at least expecting to receive some compliments for the drawings...
Anyway, critics are always welcome, and i'm happy to try to explain the upcoming doubts... Even if sometimes i miss the correct words to do that...

[SWANK-E]

I got a bit sad with the comments as i was at least expecting to receive some compliments for the drawings...


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[SWANK-E]

and like everyone else, i can't see any design more than what's normally done in a gig... having some symbols as graphic work isn't really designing a stage setting, nothing spatial nor conceptial.

[MICHEL]

primo,

as you said it was supposed to be a typical Rock Concert Stage for one of the greatest typical rock bands... and i don't see any problem at all with that...

I got a bit said with the comments as i was at least expecting to receive some compliments for the drawings...
Anyway, critics are always welcome, and i'm happy to try to explain the upcoming doubts... Even if sometimes i miss the correct words to do that...

Moita, this is part of the 'communication' job... we all go through that, no matter if it's here at ppb² or with a client. Strong concept + clear graphic documents etc... = less explanations needed. One thing is having THE idea, another is communicating it. That's somehow what ppb² is all about... and of course we all learn from eachother here. :D

[Francesco]

.. and of course we all learn from eachother here. :D
This is the great thing here.

Hint ...

[MICHEL]

I got a bit said with the comments as i was at least expecting to receive some compliments for the drawings...

...besides, I really can't percieve any use of 3D software. You mentionned sketchup, 3Dmax, VRay... but I have the feeling that the pics you posted could have been easily done entirely in PS. What I miss in your pics, is some depth or spatial feeling. You present the stage as seen from a single point, like a flat projection. I'm pretty much sure that you could improve your design by simply changing the point of view...

[primocordara]

Hey Moita! c'mon, I specialy value the negative considerations about my posts, since the positive ones i already figured out!

Hey don't be sad! we all have been there when we think our design is "great" "perfect" etc, but sincere opinions are those who make you move on!
Of course, you can allways disregard my opinion, as "who the hell is this Primo by the way..!" :cheers:

[Moita_UFF]

Hi!

Sorry primo, I think i got misunderstood... As i said critics are really really apreciated... and if i didn't want them i would show up my drawings to my mother... i'm sure she would be all compliments...

The thing i don't understand here is the way thing are said... or maybe read by me... Posts such as Michel or Francisco (who seems to have some knowledge of the theme :)) adds a lot for me...

I also never mencioned that my work was great or perfect, on the oppposite i posted here expecting improvment tips... If i thought of perfection, i wouldn't matter doing that...

And swank,
thanks for the reminder... For now on i will only expect well based critics!

Thanks everyone!

[T.McCaw]

Moita, this is part of the 'communication' job... we all go through that, no matter if it's here at ppb² or with a client. Strong concept + clear graphic documents etc... = less explanations needed. One thing is having THE idea, another is communicating it. That's somehow what ppb² is all about... and of course we all learn from eachother here. :D

There was a good quote on the academy awards tonight... Gregory Peck,I think....It went something like this... movies are stories and actors are merely the salesmen.

Tom

[msalvarez]

I think here is what i feel when viewing:

*I crave for more attention to detail for the stage and surrounding areas
*I want to feel like I am at a LedZep concert, not a LedZep cover band.
*Show me Led Zep emotions, not Led Zep album covers, I have seen those already
*Let me feel what your feeling when you design this because I see your design but I would like to feel what your feeling when you draw this. Right now I dont.

As far as the critique goes. Best to get them here and improve if needed then to go blindly in presenting your work to a group of less understanding viewers.

[draphtur]

While the presentation is lacking a bit in providing the character of the design, I wouldn't blame the media. Doing a simple rendering in PS can often provide much more information (maybe emotional over realism) than any 3D program can. Look at Koolhaas collages for the SPL and such.

Moita, I think you have the creativity and passion at least to visualize what you'd like in your design. It's obvious that you've at least created a story in your design and all that seems to be lacking is a way to present that to make it clear to everyone else.

[csha]

I have to agree with Draphtur, the presention of your ideas needs some work. At the moment, the images aren't showing very well the ideas you're trying to convey. I would try to focus on the stage more; we know there's a crowd, so let them disappear a little and highlight the stage design. Additionally, I would pay more attention to the details of what's going on, maybe with some closeup shots to accompany the long view. Where exactly are the lights hitting? who's on stage? those are the details that are missing yet seem very well thought out in your head. It might even help to just write down what you were going for. A little descriptive language goes a long way, here and and in any other presentation. If you have 3D models of this, I would also recommend a few other angles to show the depths and to show what it's going to look like for all the people not sitting in the center. Lastly, I would label the images with a small description of what's being shown and maybe even the significance. Some of us don't know the details of the band like you do and telling us those details and how you incorporated them would be very helpful in our critique of the ideas.

Hope that helped.