Hello

I'm designing a weekend/holiday home for a family of 4, 2 adults an 2 children. The plot is located on a height an has views to the ocean on two sides. The clients wanted something low that didnt stand out from the terrain too much. They are in need of at least two bedrooms, a living room, kitchen/dining-room, a small bathroom and a utility-room (for ski-ecuipment etc.)

Here is what I have come up with so far. The square-footage is about 60m2, limited because of cost and plot size. Any idea of a layout, or any comments/ideas would be very welcome!

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Elevations

Perspective1

Perspective2

3d 1

arrestme... any photo of the surrondings?

3d 2

and North positon...

arrestme... any photo of the surrondings?

Not at the moment, but will post them when I have some.

and North positon...
Where I have suggested the entrance too be, is too the North.

just a quick question .... you have finished the elevations without knowing what it would in the inside ??? (bedroom,kitchen etc... ) confused: :confused: :confused:

just a quick question .... you have finished the elevations without knowing what it would in the inside ??? (bedroom,kitchen etc... ) confused: :confused: :confused:
Yes! :P No actually I havent. It's just a proposal, but the terrace and the windows should be situated too the South (and the main view), so I have some idea of how it should be. But its doing things backwards too some degree, I know :P

I believe that he already more or less know were to put things... right?
However...it seems that the building is a bit deep, if at North elevations you wont have any oppening, why not having some kind of roof fenestration or eventually playing around with the roofs and make some kind of ventilation/ fenestration to south elevation...

Or the North will have only services areas and possibly an formal entrace door...

Another question... if you marked your drawing with 2 main views, why not having an L shape house facing to South/West quadrant?

I believe that he already more or less know were to put things... right?
However...it seems that the building is a bit deep, if at North elevations you wont have any oppening, why not having some kind of roof fenestration or eventually playing around with the roofs and make some kind of ventilation/ fenestration to south elevation...

Or the North will have only services areas and possibly an formal entrace door...
Sounds exciting. Could you explain further what you meen by some kind of roof fenestration?

Plan

No aim to be harsh but the plan places so much on entry yet it is something we do so seldom, living being the primary purpose!

Space smack bang central is encouraged to be grand passage for all and a lot is wasted.

On PPB 1 we had great discussions there about a solution that became one of great discussion, Juan had posted a low cost housing project of his design. This had good discussion on priorities as viewed by many there at the time.

something like this...
very quick drawing...

example

I like the one in the middle of that image

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Assume we know nothing about the project, and you need to convey us your intentions thru your posts.

This seems to be preconceived, not product of a process. We would need to know what the problem presented is. The interior equipment for kitchen and bath as well as furniture (for kitchen area) needs to be shown and the space designed accordingly.

The space is very small. If this has to do with cost, why make so many changes in roof and walls which increase cost? Does the storage space in such a small area need to be enclosed? The small bedroom is very small specially compared to the bathroom. The kitchen area seems large if not used for other furniture such as a table. Is there a structural concept?

I wonder where the shape of the project comes from. It seems so random and it doesn't seem to respond to anything in particular. Also the roof is placed in the same fashion making divisions where you don't have one in the floor plan. If you're going for an economic solution you won't make a suspended ceiling and therefore they will show and make the thing look poorly designed. I suggest you look at small house designs that have more straightforward layouts like Greg's Stock House (http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=440&highlight=stock+house) or something

This seems to be preconceived, not product of a process. We would need to know what the problem presented is. The interior equipment for kitchen and bath as well as furniture (for kitchen area) needs to be shown and the space designed accordingly.

The space is very small. If this has to do with cost, why make so many changes in roof and walls which increase cost? Does the storage space in such a small area need to be enclosed? The small bedroom is very small specially compared to the bathroom. The kitchen area seems large if not used for other furniture such as a table. Is there a structural concept?
It's smallness has to do with cost and plot size. Also, this will be situated pretty far from the nearest road. The materials,furnitures etc. must be carried by hand and/or driven by snowmobile or quad. You dont drive up to the house. Sometimes the building materials for houses like this are carried to the site by helicopter if its really remote.
The clients wants something "different", so i tried doing it different. Bedrooms in this kind of house in Norway are always small, because the buildings themself are usually small. Square footage is rather used for living-room and kitchen. I agree that the kitchen was too large though.

Structurally it will be 148mm wood stud walls (cc60) with 148mm insulation (www.glava.no) covered with plasterboard then rendered white. Floors and roofs will be built with something called Ranti (i-beam?) and insulated with Glava 250mm. The foundation will consist of 240x240mm concrete pillars, as low as possible.

New plan

3D Plan

the plans look better. But I don't like the way your bathroom is placed.

Maybe you can also try to set the fronddoor and the backwindow in a straigth line. so you have a nice view when you enter the house.(chech attachment)

You also don't have a lock (=sluis?) now you open your front door and all the cold gets inside.. (don't think it's that hot in Norway).

Perspective

Perspective 2

why don't you use a simpel form? starting from a box? wouldn't that be cheaper?

Yes, ofcourse it would be cheaper, but I dont think the clients would be happy with a box?

why not? You can use material differensation to make it look nice.

Try to convince them about the advantages. more space!! less money, no stupid edges,..

hehe it's easy for me to speak, I'm only a student :o

I wonder where the shape of the project comes from. It seems so random and it doesn't seem to respond to anything in particular. Also the roof is placed in the same fashion making divisions where you don't have one in the floor plan. If you're going for an economic solution you won't make a suspended ceiling and therefore they will show and make the thing look poorly designed. I suggest you look at small house designs that have more straightforward layouts like Greg's Stock House (http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=440&highlight=stock+house) or something

Concept

Firstly - your modelling is quite good, so congrats there.

I agree with franjayo and cacapis - you need to simplify your roof - a single plane would work quite well. A box is a good starting point - especially for something this small. Try to make it too complex and you end up making a mess. IMO right angles are all you should use in a project of this size. 45° angles just don't work (again - IMO).

Keep going - I'm keen to see how this turns out.

well i dont like the bathroom too , seems a bit huge ... bedroom 5.8m2 and bathroom 4.2 m2 ? :wondering

hey tim , sorry man but i thing that your bathroom dont works too :rolleyes:
there is no way to pass through that couch at the dining space (if the couch finally remain there :P )

hmmm i also think that the dining room is not well positioned at the corner and maybe its far away from the kitchen ..... just a thought :peace:

hey tim , sorry man but i thing that your bathroom dont works too :rolleyes:
there is no way to pass through that couch at the dining space (if the couch finally remain there :P )
:peace:

You funny bastard :D ofcource not :P

Yes, ofcourse it would be cheaper, but I dont think the clients would be happy with a box?

Claesson Koivisto Rune (http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=524&page=1)'s No.5 House is a beautifully executed box and it's full of scandinavian goodness

Claesson Koivisto Rune (http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=524&page=1)'s No.5 House is a beautifully executed box and it's full of scandinavian goodness
Nice house, but a 150m2 box in the forest with a flat roof, doesnt excatly scream Scandinavia. Completly flat roofs in this part of Europe, with rain, snow, winds just dont work very well.

well i dont like the bathroom too , seems a bit huge ... bedroom 5.8m2 and bathroom 4.2 m2 ? :wondering

hey tim , sorry man but i thing that your bathroom dont works too :rolleyes:
there is no way to pass through that couch at the dining space (if the couch finally remain there :P )

hmmm i also think that the dining room is not well positioned at the corner and maybe its far away from the kitchen ..... just a thought :peace:
Actually big bathrooms is a big deal with people over here it seems. But I think I can make it a bit smaller, that will be good for the living-room space too.

I think what people mean about your bathroom is that it's not in the right place of your concept.

I can see how you arranged the 2 bedrooms. They come out of the first box. But your bathroom is trown in your second box.. there's no reliable wall in your concept for it. Try to fit it in your design, don't just trow in inside :cool:

Nice house, but a 150m2 box in the forest with a flat roof, doesnt excatly scream Scandinavia. Completly flat roofs in this part of Europe, with rain, snow, winds just dont work very well.

I don't really like this C K R house myself (probably the colours as much as anything) but the advice is to consider a simple box & this is a good illustration.

And I think the comment follows on from your own design which didn't have a steep pitch either.

Have you considered burying part of your design into the ground?
Edit Like the bathroom / utility areas?

I don't really like this C K R house myself (probably the colours as much as anything) but the advice is to consider a simple box & this is a good illustration.

And I think the comment follows on from your own design which didn't have a steep pitch either.

Have you considered burying part of your design into the ground?
Edit Like the bathroom / utility areas?

Well, I think this kind of square, "simple", clean, minimalistic design feels too clinical to most people. I dont think many people would be happy living in a "clean" box like that.

Cant bury anything there, solid rock under about 20cm of soil.

I think you're taking every post in an isolated fashion disregarding what was previously said and also extremely literal.
Kevin suggested a layout like house n. 5, and previously Tim spoke about playing with materials (also after suggesting a different layout).
You're being reluctant to explore a more synthetic form wich could provide you with lots of advantages. And besides if it's a good desing, the client will like it regardless of it's shape

Hello.
Arrestme...people here are just willing to give some advice.
There are a lot of good designers on this forum, and I think that such a 'brainstorming' is very interesting for anybody.
Imagine that people are taking time to discuss a project of a colleague living on the other side of this planet...
There's no offense,I think, and we all need an electrochoc sometimes.
About your project in particular : you don't help us a lot to understand it.
We know it's facing the sea and that it's for a family. Well. But, except the sea, millions of projects have such a program.
The best would be to give more hints and to accept some criticism ... or not posting it at all.

Just my opinion.

Regards.

Francesco

I agree that you have good modelling skills, and I find these materials interesting, too bad that I cannot understand the website.

How would the beams go? Would they be held by structural wood stud walls? Which walls? Maybe thinking about the materials and structure in more detail can help defining a concept.

Alt 2.

To get the best out of this I would like to understand more about the site
& I have the feeling I will be very jealous of your opportunity here

What is the plot width / site restrictions / slope / views / orientation / budget / client mindset etc etc ?? The more we understand the more pertinent our comments will be

I agree that you have good modelling skills, and I find these materials interesting, too bad that I cannot understand the website.

How would the beams go? Would they be held by structural wood stud walls? Which walls? Maybe thinking about the materials and structure in more detail can help defining a concept.
Something like this.

www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1666&page=2&pp=10

Anything of value to you in this building?


( PS Mods Can we have lessons in linking threads please?)

http://www.iit.edu/~fordrob/

Turf House ?

New perspective

Another one

And a dark one

If you want us to give our opinion.. we really need more details about the site!! :o

pls :cheers:

It is a ranch house!

I knew there was a ranch house in that plan all along.

ranch

Ranch with a garage

We in the states can blame FLW for the 10,000,000 of these....and of the 10,000,000 it seems as though there are 500,000 in the town next to mine.

www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1666&page=2&pp=10

Anything of value to you in this building?


( PS Mods Can we have lessons in linking threads please?)


A lesson could be you are trying to hint he should do something totally different then what he has presented here :wondering

again...a picture from the site...please

A lesson could be you are trying to hint he should do something totally different then what he has presented here :wondering

Not at all .. I'm really trying to get more info about his site (Prompt ;) .. & what he & his clients want to do ... If it is remote & difficult to service then he should think more about energy issues & that BP building was lightweight prefabricated which could be useful .. the link to turf building could be useful if all materials are close at hand

At moment I am not able to visualise the site & its problems (other than there are problems in getting materials to the site)

Not at all .. I'm really trying to get more info about his site (Prompt ;) .. & what he & his clients want to do ... If it is remote & difficult to service then he should think more about energy issues & that BP building was lightweight prefabricated which could be useful .. the link to turf building could be useful if all materials are close at hand

At moment I am not able to visualise the site & its problems (other than there are problems in getting materials to the site)

What do you mean by prefabricated? Do you meen entire or parts of complete walls prefabricated off site? Or do you meen precut?

If you meen prefabricated, this would not be possible because of the distance these have too be transported without the ability to drive a truck all the way to the site ;)

Ranch with a garage

What qualifies as a so called "ranch house"?

I think I'll just go for a pint then :rolleyes:

Please order one for me ...

me 2 :cheers:

don't think he wants to give us details about the location :o
I'm not even sure if he wants our opinion...

View from the site.

me 2 :cheers:

don't think he wants to give us details about the location :o
I'm not even sure if he wants our opinion...
Would you please cut the attitude?

I want that view!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Would you please cut the attitude?

I mean that I find it strange, people give you advice, sometimes they ask you something.. and most of the time your reactions are besides them..
It's not easy to give advice when you don't know the locations, surroundings,..

Thats what I learned so far @ school.. you really need to know everything before you can start a design..

I don't mean to talk with an attitude, I don't even know enough about architecture to have an attitude..

Now thanks for the view!!

Nice view... is there any of the site?

Tim I'd relax if I were you .. I am starting to think that Arrestme is just winding us up & having fun (Long Winter Nights)... his post style reminds me of another Norwegian who posts in a similar cryptic fashion on another forum. Very very similar & I don't think all Norwegians can be like this. My only doubt in my theory is that the other Norwegian guy had lots more design sensitivity. ... but I still think it is a wind-up.

Tim I'd relax if I were you .. I am starting to think that Arrestme is just winding us up & having fun (Long Winter Nights)... his post style reminds me of another Norwegian who posts in a similar cryptic fashion on another forum. Very very similar & I don't think all Norwegians can be like this. My only doubt in my theory is that the other Norwegian guy had lots more design sensitivity. ... but I still think it is a wind-up.

Is this constructive critisism, or are you just angry for the slaying of your projects?

I think this has gone far enough.

Main objective of ppb² is discussing contemp modern architecture! :cool:

Is this constructive critisism, or are you just angry for the slaying of your projects?

Ha ..at least we got a reply .. yes it is constructive especially if it gets you to post the information everyone has been asking for .. it is up to you now.
So far the offer of help on this project has been ignored by you.

(As for me & the comments made .. well a lot were justified & I learned. :not worth :not worth)

Can we get on with the business now? :cheers:

Ha ..at least we got a reply .. yes it is constructive especially if it gets you to post the information everyone has been asking for .. it is up to you now.
So far the offer of help on this project has been ignored by you.

(As for me & the comments made .. well a lot were justified & I learned. :not worth :not worth)

Can we get on with the business now? :cheers:

I asked you what you ment by prefabricated... no reply? There are many ways to prefabricate a house you know! It's not just a hip word architects like to use to sound interesting ;)

I asked you what you ment by prefabricated... no reply? There are many ways to prefabricate a house you know! It's not just a hip word architects like to use to sound interesting ;)

I am going for another pint .. do you want to join me Arrestme? :cheers:

attitude

It goes both ways guys.

Please, ALL of you, go back and read the posts and reply the questions that were asked. I have to say a huge portion has to do with the need from everyone asking for site information. Until it is provided, this discussion is going no where. They are simply getting fed up with no getting the information that they have been asking. Simply put, you are not helping them to help you.

Please stop this bickering and get back to proper discussion on the project ONCE arrestme has posted more information about the site.

:peace:

Is the same project as this one in a previous post (http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=632)? If so they should be combined or continued.

Is the same project as this one in a previous post (http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=632)? If so they should be combined or continued.

Nope, thats a different one. Turned out like this btw.

Sean Godsell architects (http://www.seangodsell.com/), Melbourne. Just for info.

well i like your more ranch style house, the first design did little for me, too many unecessary shapes and angles. although the second option could do with more fenestration..

I would like to know the thinking behind your materials and construction style would be could. eg will it be built off site in two or three pieces and then joined together. are you wanting natural materials, like timber or is it easier to use corrugated steel sheets??? or maybe if it is mor of a box frame a portal frame could be adopted with the interior walls....

Also seeing as though this in norway what kind of thermal caharacteristics are being taken? heaters, insulation, is it coil heated in and undergoud concrete slab....

as this is a smaller project the ppullers here can get pretty antsy as they want to know more..

but i suppose a smaller project allows us to refine and often better explore options and ideas than on bigger projects where many ideas can be lost in the overall conception... so that is what people are wanting to know... also i agree an image of the site would be god cos right now it feels it is in an isolated area with only norwegian natural landscape to contend with...

Why does your design have a heavy built up handrail... i think something lighter might work better or noone at all allowing a more free flo to the south side...

ok that is my 2 cents worth

ok another thought the original design had a less slanted roof then when it became more simplified why did the angle change??

i think talking of materials here is a sean godsell building which is in fact a steel portal frame with timber battens cladding the outside to make the house, in fact the building looks great but i'd say the construction style is very simple... also the building looks red now but will sooin be a weathered te tree grey...

pre-fabricated materials are good to use in the case where labour is expensive. You really gotta look at your local industry and what's the cheapest material they use to construct with.

Oz seems to be brick / or stud wall.
Asia seems to be hollow block / concrete casting - cheap labour
I'm not sure about where you come from what's the best.

A side comment, most people nowadays hate 45 deg angles in their buildings... "45 deg angles" was so cheesy and very 1980s... where the music was pretty funky with electronica and all that but everything including fashion was CHEESY...

If there isn't a strict functional need to do 45 deg angles, don't do it... that's the only direction I can't point you at for now. maybe 30 degs / or 20 degs is even better. Hope that will direct you somehow.

Any house is still a box whether there are 45 deg angles or not.

I beg to differ on anything relating to the clinical part. If I can I would show you some photos of the most lavishly decorated and comfortable cozy places to live in the world without looking clinical / cold without the 45 degree angles or pitched roofs. but I'm not at work now so...

example http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11141&stc=1

Is this a picture of the OCHOALCUBO project in Chile??
off topic.. I know sorry..